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Old 03-02-2016, 01:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Right. Fair questions. The customer wants X number of pens, knows I can't produce that quantity in a timely manner, so we're exploring options. I'm trying to solve the customer's problem. If I found a half dozen of you guys that could turn 20 sets of barrels each, that would be a huge help!

And I mention the Stickfast finish because it's a pretty foolproof system that produces a consistent result. And consistency is important to the large order.
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Just a side question for my own curiosity. When a pen is engraved does the size of the blank matter in the set up??? Say one person turns the blank BtoB and another puts a belly in it. Does this throw the engraving off. ??? Never seen a pen engraved. Had a few engraved but i am a bushing to bushing guy and they had the same shape when engraved.
Good question. The laser has a very small vertical focal point, and a crisp engraving can occur over maybe 1/8th inch of surface depth variation. So I've never seen it be an issue to pen barrels, they're usually all "in the wheelhouse"!
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I'm not a candidate for this but I am curious if the customer expects the form to be consistent across all the subcontractor's pens? Straight bushing to bushing, slight curve, plump curve, or something else? If a curve or something else are you supplying a template or dimensions to ensure all the pens are the same?
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I'm not a candidate for this but I am curious if the customer expects the form to be consistent across all the subcontractor's pens? Straight bushing to bushing, slight curve, plump curve, or something else? If a curve or something else are you supplying a template or dimensions to ensure all the pens are the same?
I just wanted to plant the seed here, so we could meet some turners at the meeting and discuss needs/requirement. This was never meant to be a fully detailed disclosure. Just kinda took on a life of its own.

Having said that, customer likes the slight curve pens I showed him over the straight line work he's had done in the past.
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That's fine. I brought it up just in case. One mans slight curve is another's holy smokes that's a fat pen. ;)
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Steve,

I am seeing more variables and questions here.
Such as:
- Are these pens to be turned using a mandrel and stock bushings or turned single with TBC bushings?
- Painting tubes?
- Gluing of tubes.
- Sanding Techniques
- out of round blanks
- finished diameter of blanks.......before sanding,..after sanding,....after finish is applied.
- CA finishing method, plastic polish, buffing
- radial scratches

Not trying to be a downer but Just throwing out some thoughts.

Good luck in your quest.
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Wow, quick responses! Thanks, guys.

The customer is interested in the quality and consistency of the finish; that's why he was interested in seeing what folks are doing.

We're thinking a "divide and conquer" production strategy is the only way to crack this nut - if we can find a handful of guys that can do 10 or 20 or 30 sets, that might work. He's got a guy that does pens who can put a lower quality satin finish on it, but he really likes the CA glossy look. It takes me about 5 minutes per barrel to finish, using the Stickfast Wood Finish kit/process (of course, I still micromesh it after the 400 Abranet - old habits die hard!).

My value to this customer is the laser engraving, so I'm not real concerned about losing pen making to someone else.

So think about what you'd want pen set for:
(given wood and 10.5/12.5mm tubes (I maybe even throw in a CA Wood Finish pack - remember "consistency" )))
drill wood
glue to tubes
trim blanks
turn to Jr Gent II size
CA finish

I'll do the laser engraving and assembly.

BURLMAN, I think the post office still runs both ways, but we'd have to figure the shipping costs on top of the production cost to make sure we're in the wheelhouse.
Steve, I would almost bet that mailing to Chattanooga would be the same as mailing within Ga. USPS now uses zone pricing and Chattanooga would almost certainly be zone 1 from your PO as would all of GA.
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Right. Fair questions. The customer wants X number of pens, knows I can't produce that quantity in a timely manner, so we're exploring options. I'm trying to solve the customer's problem. If I found a half dozen of you guys that could turn 20 sets of barrels each, that would be a huge help!

And I mention the Stickfast finish because it's a pretty foolproof system that produces a consistent result. And consistency is important to the large order.
It may be foolproof and consistent for you because you use it. Everyone has their own method for doing a ca finish that works for them. Asking them to use your method may not work for them.
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I have a customer that MAY be interested in 150-200 laser engraved Jr Gent II pens with a CA finish. I could do them, but it would take me about a year with the limited shop time I have. :(

So I wonder what some of you Georgia IAP folks might charge me, if I give you the tubes and the wood, to return turned and finished barrels (no assembly). And how many you could easily produce in a month or so.

For consistency in the product, I'll be using the Stickfast Wood Finishing CA kit, with one coat of thin and 5-6 coats of medium.

The customer may come to the April meeting to see some of your sample CA finishes, if you're interested.

Think about it, ask any questions. Not on a firm timeline, but looking at options.
Every time I see a thread like this i get a chuckle and I think "Ask what time it is in an IAP forum and someone will tell you how to build a wrist watch". I think this is a pretty straight forward question. Sounds like the material is wood - provided by Steve, tubes provided, turner drills, insets tubes, turns and finishes (as Steve wants them finished). Steve asked for a ball park figure to do that. Seems pretty simple to me.
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I have a customer that MAY be interested in 150-200 laser engraved Jr Gent II pens with a CA finish. I could do them, but it would take me about a year with the limited shop time I have. :(

So I wonder what some of you Georgia IAP folks might charge me, if I give you the tubes and the wood, to return turned and finished barrels (no assembly). And how many you could easily produce in a month or so.

For consistency in the product, I'll be using the Stickfast Wood Finishing CA kit, with one coat of thin and 5-6 coats of medium.

The customer may come to the April meeting to see some of your sample CA finishes, if you're interested.

Think about it, ask any questions. Not on a firm timeline, but looking at options.
Every time I see a thread like this i get a chuckle and I think "Ask what time it is in an IAP forum and someone will tell you how to build a wrist watch". I think this is a pretty straight forward question. Sounds like the material is wood - provided by Steve, tubes provided, turner drills, insets tubes, turns and finishes (as Steve wants them finished). Steve asked for a ball park figure to do that. Seems pretty simple to me.

I think there is more involved than meets the eye.
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