Penmakers Challenge stage 3

[ldb2000]

This is a modified cigar pen made for the Penmakers challenge stage 3 . It is made with yellow pearl and black PR with parts from a black Ti cigar kit .
This design is the reason for the tenon at the centerband, there is no tube to support the segmenting . This time I managed to remember to recess the clip . The only thing I don't like about this pen is I should have painted the black segments white or yellow before I glued them up , the two yellow segments are over powered by the black segments and painting them would have allowed the yellow segments to show up better . I did glue the finial in on this one because of the transmission activator tube .
If you don't have a cigar kit or can't figure out how to make it work you are welcome to use a slimline kit and make a similar design . This one slowed me down a little , getting everything laid out . I like the overall design of this pen and it will be my new carry pen for awhile .
Have fun and work safe . As usual I will be around to answer questions but I will not give a tutorial just hints on how to do it . I'm sure everyone will be able to figure it out with a little thought and some logic .
All cutting and drilling was done on the lathe but if you don't have a scroll chuck or collet chuck you can use your DP for drilling . A hint on the activator tube , the transmission is 8mm .

 

[maxman400]

Butch I don't know about the painting problem, It looks good on this end. I was tied up on part two but I will be working on this one.

 

[Dalecamino]

Nice pen Butch ! I think I can do this .....we will see :redface:

 

[DurocShark]

Having never done a cigar, this will be interesting...

 

[Stevej72]

Hey Butch, nice looking pen! I'll give it a try and see how it turns out.

 

[DurocShark]

Well, I've figured out how to make it. Now I need time to actually make it.

Anybody got any time to spare? I could use some.

 

[Stevej72]

Hey Don, I got laid off last November so I have plenty of time to spare. If we can only figure out how to get my spare time to you.

 

[ed4copies]

Time is the great equalizer, we all have the same amount each day!!!

(You will never regret spending it with your family-all other uses are optional)

 

[DurocShark]

Time is the great equalizer, we all have the same amount each day!!!

(You will never regret spending it with your family-all other uses are optional)

At least according to my wife...

 

[ldb2000]

Time is something you are going to need for this one , there are a few design challenges to work out . Don't forget to make a tenon for the CB because there is no tube under it and a butt joint will break if it is stressed taking it apart to refill .
A drill press won't be the best way to drill some of the parts so if you can drill on the lathe you will be much better off , if you can't I would advise you to get the equipment to do so , you will never regret spending the money .
You guys really whipped my butt with the beautiful pens you made on the first two stages , let's see if you can do it again here . Good luck everyone .

 

[Papa Bear]

Stage 3! I haven't had time to finish stage 2 yet!!!

 

[ed4copies]

Butch,

Just stopped by---PROMISE to be serious!!!!

Would it help to show the pen open? For those who may not realize where the joint is--like me!!!

The refill is standard, the bottom tubes can't be "messed with" much, so I assume the whole upper section is supported at the black and yellow band, where you have incorporated the tenon. But, seeing it open would answer the mechanical questions.

Just a thought!!!

(Serious enough???)

 

[ldb2000]

Gary , stage 2 is still open to posting so "get er done" and get it posted . As I said in the casual forum this stage is going to run for at least 3 weeks (I figure it will take longer to figure out this design) and I may extend it if it isn't enough time for some people . This isn't a contest so I'm not rushing anyone , it should be done in your leisure time and not take away from important things .

Ed , Remember this is a challenge and showing the pen apart would give away too much of the design and this would just become a tutorial and I really don't want to debate those again , but you are correct the lower part is set up like a normal cigar with the transmission on the end of the lower tube but the upper part of the pen goes over the whole lower assembly and turns at the joint about an inch from the nib . You really can't see the joint so well , it's at the lower black stripe . The pen is designed along the lines of a PSI Longwood . I like this design because it gives a long blank to show off the looks of the blank . Like the Longwood , the upper tube is only in the upper couple of inches of the blank and the lower half of the blank slips over the lower tube so it has no support glued in to it which is why I put the CB on a tenon , the design is quite strong . Hope this helps .

Oh , and STOP being so darn serious . Sheesh , I go on one little tirade and everyone gets soooooo serious . Lighten up PLEASE !!! . This is going to be fun OR ELSE !!! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[ed4copies]

We have no "cowering banana" smilie.

 

[ldb2000]

ROFLMAO ..... My smilie is on the shop computer so I will edit it in later .

 

[soligen]

This is my first cigar too. Just got done examining all the parts and thinking about it.

I see three ways I could do this with it with this kit - depending on how many kit parts I want to modify.

I'm gunna pass on the step drilling option, so I need to modify at least 2 parts. How many did you modify butch?

 

[ldb2000]

2 , the transmission coupler and the finial .

 

[truckfixr]

This'll be a first cigar for me also, but I'm in. Looks like it'll be fun.

 

[ed4copies]

You guys should use the cigar!! I have sold over a thousand (best guess) and NEVER a return for tranny problems!!

(Remember these were all made before China became a source, so this may NOT hold true any more)

The changes you will make for this pen can also be used to make a great "casing pen", if you like the Parker refill better than the cross-type. It's really a more versatile kit than most have explored.

(Please don't hurt me, Butch!!!!)
(He's a big guy!!! I'm worried!!)

 

[ldb2000]

For you folks that have never made a cigar pen , there are modifications to be made to the kit parts to make this work . While they are not hard , if you don't know how a cigar is built it may be difficult to make the modifications . The transmission coupler has a shoulder that must be removed so the upper part of the pen can be slid over the lower assembly , a dremel or grinder is the easiest way to do this but you could even carefully break the ring off with a pair of pliers and clean up the coupler with a file . The finial has an inner tube that slips over the transmission to operate the pen . You could either replace the finial with a new finial with the activator tube attached or try to use the stock activator tube and make a new finial to put on the top of the pen but the bushing that holds the activator tube is threaded and holds the clip in place so you will have to work around those problems . If you would rather use a slimline kit that would be ok and would avoid those problems . the choice is yours .

 

[ldb2000]

Ed , no worries . I'm just a big pussycat ... just ask my wife . Just don't "Cross" me ..... I'm a Parker fan :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[truckfixr]

"... If you would rather use a slimline kit that would be ok and would avoid those problems . the choice is yours ".

Isn't the main purpose of these challenges to get us out of our comfort zone? One could make a pen similar to your's pretty easily with a twist kit. The cigar kit will force us to think. That's always a good thing.

 

[ed4copies]

For you folks that have never made a cigar pen , there are modifications to be made to the kit parts to make this work . While they are not hard , if you don't know how a cigar is built it may be difficult to make the modifications . The transmission coupler has a shoulder that must be removed so the upper part of the pen can be slid over the lower assembly , a dremel or grinder is the easiest way to do this but you could even carefully break the ring off with a pair of pliers and clean up the coupler with a file . The finial has an inner tube that slips over the transmission to operate the pen . You could either replace the finial with a new finial with the activator tube attached or try to use the stock activator tube and make a new finial to put on the top of the pen but the bushing that holds the activator tube is threaded and holds the clip in place so you will have to work around those problems . If you would rather use a slimline kit that would be ok and would avoid those problems . the choice is yours .

If you happen to own a lathe and a Jacob's chuck, you can grab this piece by the protruding threaded end and run your tailstock up to hold everything steady, then turn off the shoulder using a normal "bastard file".

(Of course, I just make kits, so this is all information I have been TOLD---no implication of experience should be taken!!!!)

 

[ldb2000]

Isn't the main purpose of these challenges to get us out of our comfort zone? One could make a pen similar to your's pretty easily with a twist kit. The cigar kit will force us to think. That's always a good thing.

Yes it is , however I understand that money is tight everywhere and some might be reluctant to take a chance on wasting a kit or two trying something they have never done before . I really would like everyone to have some fun with this so I will stand behind using a slimline to create a pen . It will still be a pen that some have never made before so there will still be something learned which is the ultimate goal of these challenges .

 

[ldb2000]

Ed , you are again correct you could use a Jacobs chuck however I will STRONGLY advise against using anything in the MT on the headstock if you don't have a Drawbar to hold it in place or without using the tailstock to support it and keep it from coming out of the headstock and becoming a dangerous projectile . Safety is still "Job One" during these builds . No one is allowed to get hurt and if you do you will not be allowed to continue ..... NO EXCEPTIONS !!!

 

[ed4copies]

If you happen to own a lathe and a Jacob's chuck, you can grab this piece by the protruding threaded end and run your tailstock up to hold everything steady, then turn off the shoulder using a normal "bastard file".

(Of course, I just make kits, so this is all information I have been TOLD---no implication of experience should be taken!!!!)

Seriously,

It has worked for me dozens of times in making casing pens. Keep speed slow (500-600 RPM) Filing that shoulder takes less than a minute. Does get warm, take it out with a needle nose--don't touch for 5 minutes or so.

ALWAYS have eye protection. NEVER touch metal in your lathe!! HOT has a whole new meaning!~

 

[soligen]

2 , the transmission coupler and the finial .

Thanks

I was wondering if there was value in turning down the kit CB to the tube OD an still putting it on the upper tube - it would never be seen, but not sure if having it there would make any difference.

 

[ldb2000]

The kit CB won't fit over the 10mm tubes so it's not a usable part . There is no need for it in this design .

 

[soligen]

Another question - didnt apply to you since you didn't use wood, but if wood, should thre be a finish on the inside where there isnt a tube? Applying CA in there would be tricky.

 

[truckfixr]

Yes it is , however I understand that money is tight everywhere and some might be reluctant to take a chance on wasting a kit or two trying something they have never done before . I really would like everyone to have some fun with this so I will stand behind using a slimline to create a pen . It will still be a pen that some have never made before so there will still be something learned which is the ultimate goal of these challenges .

Good points. I'm sure to add to my limited knowledge through attempting this challenge.

 

[Sylvanite]

Since we're already discussing ways of modifying the coupler, here is my preference. Some brands of cigar pen coupler will simply slide onto a standard 1/4" mandrel. Some don't quite go on and need to be reamed with a letter "D" (preferred but 1/4" will work in a pinch) drill bit. Once on the mandrel, it is easy to turn the brass shoulder down with a scraper. The coupler doesn't get hot, and if you catch the brass dust on a paper towel, you can save it to use for infills later.

Regards,
Eric

 

[ldb2000]

Another question - didnt apply to you since you didn't use wood, but if wood, should thre be a finish on the inside where there isnt a tube? Applying CA in there would be tricky.

No finish is needed inside . Again this pen is basically the same as a Longwood except beefier .

 

[ldb2000]

Great tip Eric , I had thought of using a mandrel but never got around to trying it .

 

[Sylvanite]

... if wood, should thre be a finish on the inside where there isnt a tube? Applying CA in there would be tricky.

If you feel the wood could use a little extra strength, then after drilling (but before gluing in the tube), you can drizzle some thin CA glue around the inside of the hole. This will help harden soft woods on the interior of the pen. Once the glue cures, you may need to chase the hole again with the same drill bit.

Regards,
Eric

 

[Stevej72]

I messed up my first try. The tenon turned out great, but I miscalculated the length of the upper section. Still might try and save it as that will be an additional challenge in itself.

 

[ldb2000]

Good point Steve , a little late to help you but .... Don't forget to add in the extra length that the stock CB add to the overall blank length . I measure the blank against a completed cigar pen . I don't have that measurement right now but when I get it I will post it for those that don't have a completed cigar pen . That little bit of difference can make a world of difference when you are assembling your pen . Been there , done that , got the T-shirt

 

[Stevej72]

Before I made the cut, the thought came to me to run upstairs and get a completed cigar. I have one down there now.

 

[soligen]

Good point Steve , a little late to help you but .... Don't forget to add in the extra length that the stock CB add to the overall blank length . I measure the blank against a completed cigar pen . I don't have that measurement right now but when I get it I will post it for those that don't have a completed cigar pen . That little bit of difference can make a world of difference when you are assembling your pen . Been there , done that , got the T-shirt

Funny you should say :wink:. I just got done with my calipers.

Big Ben kit, The finished blank length (including the custom CB) is 4.25. Looks like you could go maybe 1/16 shorter in a pinch

 

[RAdams]

slick design Butch! I like the way that looks for sure! I am going to try something on my CB that should be interesting for sure!!

 

[Sylvanite]

I don't have that measurement right now but when I get it I will post it for those that don't have a completed cigar pen . That little bit of difference can make a world of difference when you are assembling your pen .

The cigar kit is very forgiving about length variation in the UPPER barrel. Even if you leave off the centerband entirely, some brands will still go together. Others might require you to shorten the brass tube that contacts the transmission (a disk sander works great for this). Basically, as long as that tube firmly contacts the transmission, but doesn't bind it up, the pen will work. The length limit is when the transmission bottoms out against the finial (or coupler).

The LOWER barrel length, on the other hand, is a critical dimension.

I hope that helps,
Eric