oldtoolsniper
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How about would I put this on a billboard on the side of my house?
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cozee
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I at one time made a living with my artwork and found no good reason to inculde nudity in my portfolio.
Nudity is artwork? With that definition then adult movies and child porn could also be considered as such simply because artwok is then held in the eye of those who call it such. It is easy to draw the line, no gray areas needed. Nudity and provacitive poses really are not art, just nudity and provacitive poses. Erotic yes. Artwork, no.
Nudity is artwork? With that definition then adult movies and child porn could also be considered as such simply because artwok is then held in the eye of those who call it such. It is easy to draw the line, no gray areas needed. Nudity and provacitive poses really are not art, just nudity and provacitive poses. Erotic yes. Artwork, no.
Rifleman1776
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Jeff: Per your most recent post. There has been talk about censorship. Cutting material does not always fit into that category. Sometimes it is simply editing. A term often used is 'gate keeping'. Editors must sift material they consider either inappropriate or not of value. Librarians have a very tough job deciding what is of value for the shelves or where something crosses "the line", especially when the line has never been drawn. Depicting female breasts is not always pornographic. I have seen my grandchildren watching cartoons where the girls (cartoon characters) are shown with short-shorts and some very suggestively tight little....uh....walking away views. If you gate keep again in the future, and realistically, you will, some will agree with the decision and some will disagree. I will probably be one of the disagree-ers because I am very open minded about 1st Amendment issues. I still think removing the picture of the deer was an incorrect decision. Life cannot be denied by hiding it. Oh, well.
cozee
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1st Admendment rights. That always comes up in this type of discussion. Funny thing is most misinterperate it. Yes, one has the right to do so but they do not have the right to do so wherever they please. Sadly, it is the gray areas that are capitalized upon to exercise one's rights when the content of said right is in question. It has come to the point in society that if things are not spelled out word for word, somebody is looking to take advantage to promote their agenda. A family oriented board doesn't mean nudity, whether considered art or not, is allowable. Just because some find no fault and allow such things, or suggestive content such as the cartoons mentioned doesn't mean every one does. All one has to do is turn on the TV to get all of that and more, and that is just the commercials. Sadly, this society has become desenstized to right and wrong concerning morality.
Continuing to tout such things as one's expressive right is to continue to violate and further deteriorate morality. Without a solid moral basis; a foundation of irreproachable, unchangeable, infallible truth, anything goes.
Besides, what if one's sister, wife, daughter, mother, other family member where the content of such subject matter. I think things would look a bit different to the beholder of such liberal expressionism
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I want to thank IAP for taking a stand!!
Continuing to tout such things as one's expressive right is to continue to violate and further deteriorate morality. Without a solid moral basis; a foundation of irreproachable, unchangeable, infallible truth, anything goes.
Besides, what if one's sister, wife, daughter, mother, other family member where the content of such subject matter. I think things would look a bit different to the beholder of such liberal expressionism![
].I want to thank IAP for taking a stand!!
Cozee said,
"Nudity is artwork? With that definition then adult movies and child porn could also be considered as such simply because artwork is then held in the eye of those who call it such. It is easy to draw the line, no gray areas needed. Nudity and provocative poses really are not art, just nudity and provocative poses. Erotic yes. Artwork, no."
Greg....Where did this come from? It's a darn good thing that you and I are good friends so that you will read my post knowing that there is no need to get defensive!
"Nudity" in it's basic term is not art at all. What makes some pieces of art that include full, or partial nudity "art" is the overall use of mediums involved and the skill level of the artist that blessed us with it. Far from porn.[xx(]
Take a walk in Rome, Athens, Venice, Cairo and admire the partially clad sculptures that look down on you at every corner. Wonder into the louvre in Paris and spend days admiring some of the most wonderful paintings in the world. Yes....Lot's include nudity, but as you look in awe at the pure creative talent, and genius it took to create the pieces of art all of that is lost.
I guess my point is that some of the absolute best examples of art ever created included nudity.
"Nudity is artwork? With that definition then adult movies and child porn could also be considered as such simply because artwork is then held in the eye of those who call it such. It is easy to draw the line, no gray areas needed. Nudity and provocative poses really are not art, just nudity and provocative poses. Erotic yes. Artwork, no."
Greg....Where did this come from? It's a darn good thing that you and I are good friends so that you will read my post knowing that there is no need to get defensive!
"Nudity" in it's basic term is not art at all. What makes some pieces of art that include full, or partial nudity "art" is the overall use of mediums involved and the skill level of the artist that blessed us with it. Far from porn.[xx(]
Take a walk in Rome, Athens, Venice, Cairo and admire the partially clad sculptures that look down on you at every corner. Wonder into the louvre in Paris and spend days admiring some of the most wonderful paintings in the world. Yes....Lot's include nudity, but as you look in awe at the pure creative talent, and genius it took to create the pieces of art all of that is lost.
I guess my point is that some of the absolute best examples of art ever created included nudity.
gerryr
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I think a large part of the problem is that nudity, in the U.S. at least, is generally equated with what D. H. Lawrence called 'the dirty little secret," namely sex. They aren't the same thing and to state that because some artists use nudity in their work will somehow cause future generations of kids to become perverted is just rubbish. Kids don't think much about it at all, until the adults begin over-reacting to it and tell the kids that nudity in and of itself is immoral.
cozee
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Ron, I find no need what-so-ever to get defensive. In fact, I agree with what you said in that context and concerning that time period but advancing to todays sense of art, the soul of the content isn't quite what it used to be nor the puritry of it. I don't think we can compare todays sense and soul with such a bygone era. I can look at the works of old and not even notice the nudity as it is as you have stated, an interwoven element of the artwork as a whole. Even the staue of David doesn't give one an impression of erotica. However, much of what we see todays as "art" focuses heavily upon the nudity or the ertoic element as the main element with everything else fading into the background.
I will correct myself concerning my original statement concerning nudity with a clearer definition. Nudity which focuses on the erotic element, or as the whole of the composition itself, isn't art in my opinion. Most artwork today which contains nudity falls largely into the "cheesecake" catagory of artwork. Soryama, Olivia, and others lead this field with their erotica disquised as art.
And hey, no matter one's view,life goes on!! Woo hoo!! It's Friday!!![
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Ron in Drums PA
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Originally posted by cozee
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Ron, I find no need what-so-ever to get defensive. In fact, I agree with what you said in that context and concerning that time period but advancing to todays sense of art, the soul of the content isn't quite what it used to be nor the puritry of it. I don't think we can compare todays sense and soul with such a bygone era. I can look at the works of old and not even notice the nudity as it is as you have stated, an interwoven element of the artwork as a whole. Even the staue of David doesn't give one an impression of erotica. However, much of what we see todays as "art" focuses heavily upon the nudity or the ertoic element as the main element with everything else fading into the background.
I will correct myself concerning my original statement concerning nudity with a clearer definition. Nudity which focuses on the erotic element, or as the whole of the composition itself, isn't art in my opinion. Most artwork today which contains nudity falls largely into the "cheesecake" catagory of artwork. Soryama, Olivia, and others lead this field with their erotica disquised as art.
And hey, no matter one's view,life goes on!! Woo hoo!! It's Friday!!
wdcav1952
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Ron, I agree with you, except for Gregg's last line about Friday! []
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its_virgil
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<b>VERSE 1Originally posted by cozee
Woo hoo!! It's Friday!!
airrat
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Jeff B, I don't have a problem with what you did. I do like the idea that if someone wants to post something that could be considered nudity, it could be linked with a disclaimer. If a moderator takes something down, they just let the poster know asap why and what else they can do if they want people to see it.
mdburn_em
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Jeff B,
Since you asked, in spite of the interest this post has drawn, keep it the way it has been. It doesn't seem like there have been enough controversial posts to warrant major changes. I think it's been a pretty smooth ride since I joined the site. People on this site have placed warnings on posts they know that others "might" find offensive. If people would keep doing that, I think the ship will keep sailing smoothly.
Since you asked, in spite of the interest this post has drawn, keep it the way it has been. It doesn't seem like there have been enough controversial posts to warrant major changes. I think it's been a pretty smooth ride since I joined the site. People on this site have placed warnings on posts they know that others "might" find offensive. If people would keep doing that, I think the ship will keep sailing smoothly.
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