NittanyLion
Member
Looks like CSUSA is now selling both. The new Stick Fast resin looks similar to Cactus Juice, curing at same temp. Has anyone used the Stick Fast system? How does it compare to CJ?
Stick Fast vs Cactus Juice
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edstreet
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Is this some type of joke?
seamus7227
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edstreet
Member
Link?
Leviblue
Local Chapter Leader
edstreet
Member
Yea am now convinced this is indeed a joke.
MesquiteMan
Retired Head Moderator
Not sure what you think is a joke. Please expand some.
termitedave
Member
I clicked on the link then got the pic in the right hand side, that said turners scent. Then Curtis cactus juice poped up in the pic of stuff for choose. Looks like the same price he sells for. I seen where he bougt a bottleing set up.
termitedave
Member
Congrats Curtis!
MesquiteMan
Retired Head Moderator
Yes, this is indeed true. Cactus Juice is now available at Craft Supplies USA as well as a well known knife parts supplier.
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longbeard
Member
Congrats Curtis
Harry (and thats NO joke) M
Harry (and thats NO joke) M
nascrdad
Member
Congrats, well deserved.
johncrane
Member
Congrats Curtis!
sbell111
Member
I'm not convinced that there is any difference between stick fast, cactus juice, or ZK-TR90 stabilizing resins. I'm also pretty certain that no one in the know is ever going to say for sure.
longbeard
Member
Waaaiiiitttt for it..........:biggrin:
Harry ( ) M
Harry ( ) M
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edstreet
Member
I believe this constitutes a double epic face palm and in light of the recent tragedy a few days ago I am going to opt for non-disclosure on the paradoxical dissimulate.
Sabaharr
Member
I just clicked the link. It said TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK. I don't think I would ever get that from Curtis. Cactus Juice works perfectly for me, why fix "what aint broke"?
steve worcester
Member
The products basically work the same, mix, vacuum and let sit, then cook. To me they turn the same, but it is really the after sale that sometimes becomes more important.
Under full disclosure, I am a Stickfast dealer. As a dealer, the costs are less for personal use, but retail, at my discount level, I don't see how you make much money on it to compete against Cactus Juice (and I had this same conversation with Curtis at SWAT). It is a heavy and therefore expensive product to ship, cutting into margins for the dealer.
But if you need assistance , I know that Curtis is there for you but I haven't tried Stickfast support. In a traditional situation, you would call who you got the product from and if they don't have the answer, they call the manufacturer.
Selling through Crafts Supplies ( and a good group of folks at that) it allows Curtis more exposure. If they are selling at the same price he is, then when you buy from him (vs CS) he makes more margin.
Stickfast doesn't sell direct, so for them it is a natural extension and broadening of their channel.
As far as the product, they react the same, but I don't know if they are chemically the same and what the down sides to either are, and that is a fine line for Curtis to run. Do you point out the down side to the competitors product and potentially look like someone slamming the competitor, or do you let the product speak for itself? Here, he has a lot of sweat equity. This is one of the places where he has proved himself and the product.
Under full disclosure, I am a Stickfast dealer. As a dealer, the costs are less for personal use, but retail, at my discount level, I don't see how you make much money on it to compete against Cactus Juice (and I had this same conversation with Curtis at SWAT). It is a heavy and therefore expensive product to ship, cutting into margins for the dealer.
But if you need assistance , I know that Curtis is there for you but I haven't tried Stickfast support. In a traditional situation, you would call who you got the product from and if they don't have the answer, they call the manufacturer.
Selling through Crafts Supplies ( and a good group of folks at that) it allows Curtis more exposure. If they are selling at the same price he is, then when you buy from him (vs CS) he makes more margin.
Stickfast doesn't sell direct, so for them it is a natural extension and broadening of their channel.
As far as the product, they react the same, but I don't know if they are chemically the same and what the down sides to either are, and that is a fine line for Curtis to run. Do you point out the down side to the competitors product and potentially look like someone slamming the competitor, or do you let the product speak for itself? Here, he has a lot of sweat equity. This is one of the places where he has proved himself and the product.
mark james
IAP Collection, Curator
Steve:
A very nice, fair and balanced response. It is soooo.. nice to read civility at times
A very nice, fair and balanced response. It is soooo.. nice to read civility at times
ironman123
Member
"I believe this constitutes a double epic face palm and in light of the recent tragedy a few days ago I am going to opt for non-disclosure on the paradoxical dissimulate." (from Ed)
Ed, you sound like a politician there.:biggrin: Wha choo talkin bout?
Ray
Oh, Curtis congrats on the expansion outlets.
Ray
Ed, you sound like a politician there.
:biggrin: Wha choo talkin bout? Ray
Oh, Curtis congrats on the expansion outlets.
Ray
jsolie
Member
Apparently you can make pens smell good, too... Turners Select Stabilizing Resin Scent | Pen Making | Craft Supplies USA
healeydays
Member
Folks,
I will admit that I have used the Stick Fast product as I was asked to do a demonstration for them and got it deeply discounted. I find that there is no noticeable difference between Curtis' product and theirs from a product standpoint as far as I can tell so far.
Now let's talk the intangibles. The price is about the same, but what you get with Cactus Juice is Curtis and his years on testing, product development, relationships in the stabilization and casting world and his knowledge he is willing to share at the drop of a hat. That goes alot further than anything else I can think of.
Mike B
I will admit that I have used the Stick Fast product as I was asked to do a demonstration for them and got it deeply discounted. I find that there is no noticeable difference between Curtis' product and theirs from a product standpoint as far as I can tell so far.
Now let's talk the intangibles. The price is about the same, but what you get with Cactus Juice is Curtis and his years on testing, product development, relationships in the stabilization and casting world and his knowledge he is willing to share at the drop of a hat. That goes alot further than anything else I can think of.
Mike B
nava1uni
Member
Congratulation Curtis.
Priusjames
Member
I'm new here, anybody care to explain the joke? PM is ok.
I thought it was a good question, given that I'm in the market to try stabilizing.
It's good to know the whole truth.
Thanks
James
I thought it was a good question, given that I'm in the market to try stabilizing.
It's good to know the whole truth.
Thanks
James
sbell111
Member
I don't know what he was calling a joke.
CSUSA is selling both resins. They are comparable, if not identical (assuming that neither is 'stale', I guess). They are not currently selling Curtis' stabilizing chambers. Many use the Stickfast chambers and like them. Others buy them from Curtis (as I did) and like them. Still others use their pressure pot set up for vacuum to good effect.
Priusjames
Member
Thanks, that's about what I've induced from reading around the forums...seems to be a relatively small world.
Thanks again
James
CSUSA is selling both resins. They are comparable, if not identical (assuming that neither is 'stale', I guess). They are not currently selling Curtis' stabilizing chambers. Many use the Stickfast chambers and like them. Others buy them from Curtis (as I did) and like them. Still others use their pressure pot set up for vacuum to good effect.[/QUOTE]
Thanks again
James
CSUSA is selling both resins. They are comparable, if not identical (assuming that neither is 'stale', I guess). They are not currently selling Curtis' stabilizing chambers. Many use the Stickfast chambers and like them. Others buy them from Curtis (as I did) and like them. Still others use their pressure pot set up for vacuum to good effect.[/QUOTE]
Dale Allen
Member
Congrats Curtis....and thank you for your help recently.
Good customer service is priceless!
Good customer service is priceless!
edstreet
Member
Ok, One of the joke areas is the topic title itself. Company name -vs- a product. This is like saying ford (or chevy for that matter) -vs- a sledge hammer.
One other area is this. Please try to keep up here
What do all of these IAP archive posts have in common? Will give you a hint, it's the first part of the topic title in this thread. ...
Even bacon flavor, suppose that could be a win
One other area is this. Please try to keep up here
What do all of these IAP archive posts have in common? Will give you a hint, it's the first part of the topic title in this thread. ...
Even bacon flavor, suppose that could be a win
healeydays
Member
Uh, we're not talking CA here. We're talking stabilizing resin.
wayneryan65
Member
Scent
I also saw they have a new stabilizing resin scent. VANILLA...now thats a joke
I also saw they have a new stabilizing resin scent. VANILLA...now thats a joke
PWL
Member
Congratulations Curtis!
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