dust collection system questions

The Penguin · 02-21-2012, 08:07 PM

didn't want to jump in on the the other thread - so making my own...

I have this dust collector: G1028Z2 1-1/2 HP Dust Collector

it's assembled and placed in the shed behind immediately behind my garage. I also have a chip collecting can. To get it into my garage, I'd have to cut a hole in the wall from inside to outside, to run the hose through and then run power to the shed for the collector. Not a big deal to run power as I need to rewire the whole garage.

but - I have attic space above the garage I can place the dust collector - and cut a hole in the floor/ceiling and then run my main dust collection line along the ceiling.

thoughts/suggestion?

I'm also looking at air cleaners, and think I have narrowed down to these 2:

50-875

or:

JET Tools - AFS-1000B, 1000 CFM Air Filtration System, 3-Speed, with Remote Control

my garage is 22x29x8 with the back third is where most of the woodworking is done. Both units have similar specs, but the Delta is about $90 cheaper

again - thoughts/suggestions?

Wingdoctor · 02-21-2012, 10:45 PM

I see you are in Texas so maybe you could have the DC in another building when the weather is warm. As the collector pulls the chips and air from your shop, the DC exhausts it into the shed. To do this you have to have a way to let the air being pulled from the shop return to the shop. If you do not have a direct air path the DC will find a way to get the air it needs. That way may be through your furnace or water heater exhaust vents, and you do not want that. It would be pulling the exhaust fumes, CO for instance back into your shop. If it is possible to have a vent to the outside to pull the air in without drastically lowering the shop temperature it will work. If the shed is really airtight and insulated, not likely, you could duct the air from the shed back into the shop under pressure from the DC outlet. I've not checked the CFM of the DC but ever 500 cfm of air is a lot of air to pull out of your shop regardless of circumstances. If you can keep the DC in the shop so that the intake and exhaust of air is in the same structure all of these problems do not exist. I have an Oneida 3 1/2 hp Cyclone in my basement shop and the noise is not a problem upstairs or down. I hope this helps.

rherrell · 02-22-2012, 05:21 AM

I have this one... JDS High Efficiency Air Filtration Unit Air-Tech 750-ER Air Filter

I love it and it's worked FLAWLESSLY, EVERY DAY for 6 years.

Monty · 02-22-2012, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Penguin

...but - I have attic space above the garage I can place the dust collector - and cut a hole in the floor/ceiling and then run my main dust collection line along the ceiling.

Do you want to have to get in the attic to empty the DC bag when it's 100* outside? Not me.
Your basic shop setup sounds a lot like mine. Come by sometime and take a look at mine for some ideas.

Steve Busey · 02-22-2012, 08:15 AM

The thought that crosses my mind about the attic is whether your system has enough suction to pull all the dust/wood chips vertically high enough.

Robert111 · 02-22-2012, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingdoctor

I see you are in Texas so maybe you could have the DC in another building when the weather is warm. As the collector pulls the chips and air from your shop, the DC exhausts it into the shed. To do this you have to have a way to let the air being pulled from the shop return to the shop. If you do not have a direct air path the DC will find a way to get the air it needs. That way may be through your furnace or water heater exhaust vents, and you do not want that. It would be pulling the exhaust fumes, CO for instance back into your shop. If it is possible to have a vent to the outside to pull the air in without drastically lowering the shop temperature it will work. If the shed is really airtight and insulated, not likely, you could duct the air from the shed back into the shop under pressure from the DC outlet. I've not checked the CFM of the DC but ever 500 cfm of air is a lot of air to pull out of your shop regardless of circumstances. If you can keep the DC in the shop so that the intake and exhaust of air is in the same structure all of these problems do not exist. I have an Oneida 3 1/2 hp Cyclone in my basement shop and the noise is not a problem upstairs or down. I hope this helps.

Pulling air out of the shop through the DC may be a good idea. It will guarantee air exchange and tend to rid the shop of CA and other fumes. Seems worth the cost of some heat.

TerryDowning · 02-23-2012, 12:18 PM

Positioning the DC outside of the work area is generally preferred n terms of health/safety and cleanliness oft he shop. I believe it's required by OSHA for a professional setup. Bruce brings up valid points though regarding "sucking up" of other things that you may want to keep in the shop (Notably Heating and Air conditioning) It may be advisable to filter the return from the shed if you have climate control.

sumunabeech · 02-23-2012, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingdoctor

I see you are in Texas so maybe you could have the DC in another building when the weather is warm. As the collector pulls the chips and air from your shop, the DC exhausts it into the shed. To do this you have to have a way to let the air being pulled from the shop return to the shop. If you do not have a direct air path the DC will find a way to get the air it needs. That way may be through your furnace or water heater exhaust vents, and you do not want that. It would be pulling the exhaust fumes, CO for instance back into your shop. If it is possible to have a vent to the outside to pull the air in without drastically lowering the shop temperature it will work. If the shed is really airtight and insulated, not likely, you could duct the air from the shed back into the shop under pressure from the DC outlet. I've not checked the CFM of the DC but ever 500 cfm of air is a lot of air to pull out of your shop regardless of circumstances. If you can keep the DC in the shop so that the intake and exhaust of air is in the same structure all of these problems do not exist. I have an Oneida 3 1/2 hp Cyclone in my basement shop and the noise is not a problem upstairs or down. I hope this helps.

Everything said here is correct.
Is the garage a conditioned area? I mean heated and cooled?
Is it connected to the house?
Is the attic connected (open) to the rest of the home's attic?
Is the attic vented?
Exposed wiring? (dust/fire)

Building science is what I do to support my pen habit...and eat. There are many ways to make your home unsafe by messing with airflow in and out. By unsafe, I mean unhealthy (moldy and dusty) and also downright dangerous. Be very careful with any modifications. pm me if you have questions...please

The Penguin · 02-23-2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumunabeech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingdoctor

I see you are in Texas so maybe you could have the DC in another building when the weather is warm. As the collector pulls the chips and air from your shop, the DC exhausts it into the shed. To do this you have to have a way to let the air being pulled from the shop return to the shop. If you do not have a direct air path the DC will find a way to get the air it needs. That way may be through your furnace or water heater exhaust vents, and you do not want that. It would be pulling the exhaust fumes, CO for instance back into your shop. If it is possible to have a vent to the outside to pull the air in without drastically lowering the shop temperature it will work. If the shed is really airtight and insulated, not likely, you could duct the air from the shed back into the shop under pressure from the DC outlet. I've not checked the CFM of the DC but ever 500 cfm of air is a lot of air to pull out of your shop regardless of circumstances. If you can keep the DC in the shop so that the intake and exhaust of air is in the same structure all of these problems do not exist. I have an Oneida 3 1/2 hp Cyclone in my basement shop and the noise is not a problem upstairs or down. I hope this helps.

Everything said here is correct.
Is the garage a conditioned area? I mean heated and cooled?
Is it connected to the house?
Is the attic connected (open) to the rest of the home's attic?
Is the attic vented?
Exposed wiring? (dust/fire)

Building science is what I do to support my pen habit...and eat. There are many ways to make your home unsafe by messing with airflow in and out. By unsafe, I mean unhealthy (moldy and dusty) and also downright dangerous. Be very careful with any modifications. pm me if you have questions...please

not presently, but it is in the future plans to install a window unit through the back wall to provide AC. I think the AC I purchased does not have heat though.

connected via a breezeway - the attic is open (right now) to the rest of the house. it is a small triangular opening...about 4' wide, 2' tall. There is a metal "plate" that generally covers that opening that is taken down for the moment because I was working on wiring. My main electric service connection (meter & main breaker) is at the back corner of the garage. From there - it feeds the main panel in the house. plan is to drop a sub-panel off the meter into the garage for all the garage wiring.

yes, the garage has both soffit and ridge vents. had the garage roof re-decked with Cool Ply when my roof was replaced a couple years ago.

wiring is exposed for now - intent is to move all wiring up to the attic space, place outlets about every 6' along walls and in the ceiling for lighting, insulate ceiling & walls, and install drywall.

I'm trying to make it as comfortable a workspace as I can.

sumunabeech · 02-25-2012, 04:12 PM

The breezeway helps. If you can close and seal the attic between the house and garage you should be okay. By seal I mean airtight. As long as the wiring is insulated and the connections in boxes you shouldn't have a problem with that.
Sorry, I work with BAD housing stock and it wigs me out a little when people start talking about changing the airflow in a house.
You may still have problems with very fine dust being deposited in the attic.

02-21-2012, 08:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Penguin Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 515 Photos: 0	dust collection system questions didn't want to jump in on the the other thread - so making my own... I have this dust collector: G1028Z2 1-1/2 HP Dust Collector it's assembled and placed in the shed behind immediately behind my garage. I also have a chip collecting can. To get it into my garage, I'd have to cut a hole in the wall from inside to outside, to run the hose through and then run power to the shed for the collector. Not a big deal to run power as I need to rewire the whole garage. but - I have attic space above the garage I can place the dust collector - and cut a hole in the floor/ceiling and then run my main dust collection line along the ceiling. thoughts/suggestion? I'm also looking at air cleaners, and think I have narrowed down to these 2: 50-875 or: JET Tools - AFS-1000B, 1000 CFM Air Filtration System, 3-Speed, with Remote Control my garage is 22x29x8 with the back third is where most of the woodworking is done. Both units have similar specs, but the Delta is about $90 cheaper again - thoughts/suggestions?

02-21-2012, 10:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wingdoctor Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 54 Photos: 1	I see you are in Texas so maybe you could have the DC in another building when the weather is warm. As the collector pulls the chips and air from your shop, the DC exhausts it into the shed. To do this you have to have a way to let the air being pulled from the shop return to the shop. If you do not have a direct air path the DC will find a way to get the air it needs. That way may be through your furnace or water heater exhaust vents, and you do not want that. It would be pulling the exhaust fumes, CO for instance back into your shop. If it is possible to have a vent to the outside to pull the air in without drastically lowering the shop temperature it will work. If the shed is really airtight and insulated, not likely, you could duct the air from the shed back into the shop under pressure from the DC outlet. I've not checked the CFM of the DC but ever 500 cfm of air is a lot of air to pull out of your shop regardless of circumstances. If you can keep the DC in the shop so that the intake and exhaust of air is in the same structure all of these problems do not exist. I have an Oneida 3 1/2 hp Cyclone in my basement shop and the noise is not a problem upstairs or down. I hope this helps. __________________ Bruce "A Man Has To Know His Limitations" Harry Calahan "Dirty Harry" - "And Go Just A Little Bit Farther" Bruce Smith "The Wingdoctor" http://thewoodsmithspenshop.weebly.com Last edited by Wingdoctor; 02-21-2012 at 10:47 PM.

02-22-2012, 05:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
rherrell Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pilot Mtn., NC Posts: 4,351 Photos: 84	I have this one... JDS High Efficiency Air Filtration Unit Air-Tech 750-ER Air Filter I love it and it's worked FLAWLESSLY, EVERY DAY for 6 years. __________________ Rick Herrell Pilot Mtn.,NC "The pain of using a cheap tool lingers long after the joy of saving money has passed"

02-22-2012, 08:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
Steve Busey Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Marietta, GA. Posts: 817 Photos: 2	The thought that crosses my mind about the attic is whether your system has enough suction to pull all the dust/wood chips vertically high enough. __________________ *Steve \o/* All proceeds from my pen sales go to benefit The Community School in Decatur, GA

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02-23-2012, 12:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
TerryDowning Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Newhall, CA Posts: 306 Photos: 3	Positioning the DC outside of the work area is generally preferred n terms of health/safety and cleanliness oft he shop. I believe it's required by OSHA for a professional setup. Bruce brings up valid points though regarding "sucking up" of other things that you may want to keep in the shop (Notably Heating and Air conditioning) It may be advisable to filter the return from the shed if you have climate control.

02-25-2012, 04:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
sumunabeech Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Lyndon, KS Posts: 13 Photos: 0	The breezeway helps. If you can close and seal the attic between the house and garage you should be okay. By seal I mean airtight. As long as the wiring is insulated and the connections in boxes you shouldn't have a problem with that. Sorry, I work with BAD housing stock and it wigs me out a little when people start talking about changing the airflow in a house. You may still have problems with very fine dust being deposited in the attic.