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Old 12-21-2008, 11:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
 
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so, is this micron paste number better to be higher or lower? As in, is 1 micron better to finish with than 3? Seems like it would be so, but I am just wanting to verify for myself. Thanks
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so, is this micron paste number better to be higher or lower? As in, is 1 micron better to finish with than 3? Seems like it would be so, but I am just wanting to verify for myself. Thanks
1 micron is finer than 3 micron.

I'm not sure about the 12000 micro mesh, but the 4000 is about 5 micron,
the 8000 is around 3 micron. 1 micron is a pretty fine polish.
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So, by deduction, one might guess 12000 to be around 1 then? Following a simple pattern of course, with no science to prove it. I MM to 12000 and then do Meguiars PlastX, and maybe its just me, but there seems to be quite a shine difference between the 2 surfaces. I might call Meguiars and find out.
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Well, don't bother calling Meguiar's about their products. I talked to someone and they were happy to help, except that they didn't have the information. He gave me another number for the department I needed and said they have the information and would be able to give it to me. I call them up, and this guy, Mike, answers. He was pretty rude from the start, and "didn't have that number". Also, even if he did have it "it would be proprietary information". I'm pretty good at knowing when someone is lying to me, and I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot. He could have just said that is information that isn't available to the public instead of going about it the way he did. Why wouldn't they give this information out? I would think they would want people to know so that they could be more informed on the product they are using. It's not like it was going to hurt them for someone to know the microns. Oh well, back to guessing I suppose.
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Here's a link to a chart comparing MM to other stuff.
I would guess that the 12,000 is about 2 micron.
http://www.micro-surface.com/default.cfm?page_id=174

I did a Jr. Statesman in Gabon Ebony. Nothing like an all black pen to display your finishing weaknesses. After using the diamond paste...well, even I was impressed. (I am absolutely my own worst critic.)
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For acrylics or wood (once CA or WOP has been applied) I MM up to 12000.

Polish with Brasso
Clean Thoroughly
Polish with PlastX
Clean again

One or two coats of regular Johnsons Paste Wax and buff to high shine. Same stuff I use on my table saw surface, etc. (actually 2 different cans to prevent contamination but you get the idea)

Have had real good luck with those products.
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I just read something interesting on the website of the link I posted above. The company offers a micro-gloss product as well. Under the professional wood workers kit is the description:

"For larger jobs up to 60 square feet in size. This kit can be used on bare wood, waterbase coatings, urethane coatings, varnished finishes, oil finishes, lacquer finishes. For a super high finish, add MICRO-GLOSS liquid abrasive polish as a final polish on your piece. This large kit is a great value for the serious woodworker. Made up of the entire series in sheets, 18 total. Use by hand."

This kit contains the 12,000 grit sheet as well. Sooo, it appears that the micro-gloss may be a smaller grit than the 12,000. I sent an email to the company asking about this. I'll let you know what they say.

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On another site, it states that micro-gloss contains 1 micron abrasives.
(edited to add this.)
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Well I have also researched this area. and many of the manufacturers will not give out their micron information. Here is what I understand;

grit / mm / micron

1. 2000 / 6000 / 3
2. 2500 / / is the grocery bags ---- source Russ Fairfield so the bag is finer than 2000 grit. good to burnish the wood.
3. 0 / 8000 / 3 / I have seen two different sources on the micron 3 being either 6,000 grit or 8,000 grit.
4. 0 / 12,000 /
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Above the double line is sandpaper below starts the polishes
Micro-mesh gloss = 14,000 = 1 micron
Hut Ultra-Gloss = less than 1 micron

In my research the answers of what I the micron level of white diamond comes back “that’s proprietary info.” From my own testing, and seeing the results I do not believe that white diamond has a micron level below 12,000 grit.



If you want to read a good article see the below link.

http://www.aspipes.org/faq/faq/ASP_B...ishing_FAQ.pdf
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I received a reply and the MM micro-gloss is 1 micron...
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I'm not going to say that I've seen every pen on the planet, but I've never seen a 'plastic' pen that looked better than a MM'd one. I've tried basic plastic polishes but found that nothing removes all traces of sanding lines like MM.
It could be a deficiency in my MM technique, but I definitely get an improvement when I use the Kit product after MM. Not across the board (as in everywhere on the barrel) - but invariably there will be 1 or 2 tiny places that are not quite perfect after 12000MM and almost always the scratch remover gets it out. I do agree, though, that outside of those tiny blemishes I don't see a difference between the 12000MM and the polish.

Very interesting discussion, thanks for all the research.
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