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Old 12-03-2014, 06:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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And I'm not convinced dr pens plus will turn to matte.
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Old 12-03-2014, 09:25 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
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There is nothing proprietary about Dr. Woodshop products, have a look at Ron Brown’s best.

Ron Brown's Best Walnut Oil Finishes

I cannot name all the friction finishes/polishes available to pen/woodturners. basically what they all have in common is Lacquer/Shellac, Wax, & Oil. Yes some will give you more sheen than others only because amount of ketone resin in the product. See MSDS in documents at Dr.’s Woodshop which is more of a history lesson.

http://www.doctorswoodshop.com/LinkC...bid=74&mid=428

Will find same resins in these products which wood carvers, furniture refinishers, and pen/woodturners have been using forever on top of bare wood or other finishing products. Several years back member here told us to save some money and just use Kiwi neutral shoe polish verus the expensive waxes over top any finish we put on a pen.

Museum wax
Crystalline Clear Museum Wax - BLICK art materials

Renaissance Wax or (REN wax)
Renaissance Micro-Crystalline Wax Polish 65ml - VintageJewelrySupplies.com

Durability of friction polishes/finishes have always been discussed, debated with nothing really definitive outcome. There is no question will get some fade back (loss of sheen) over time due to product contents, or handling by users. I say if done correctly still an outstanding choice for pens regardless of the fade back issue.

Russ Fairfield’s article might give you better incite and make you more comfortable with friction polishes/finishes regardless of the product you use.

Friction Polishes
Russ's Corner: A WoodCentral Archive

If Pen Plus is your favorite finish stay with it!
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I use the Walnut oil to sand with and the Pens Plus as a friction finish. Sanding with the oil keeps the dust down and imparts a bit of the oil to help the finish along. Check out Mike Meredith's video ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwCRDNi_ank

BTW, Ron Brown licenses Mike Meredith's Doctor's Woodshop products.
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Wildman, thank you for that amount of crazy awesome information. That sure will keep me busy for a while. I have no preference for Pens Plus; haven't even used the product.

I am currently using the wax sticks and I am sure that there is something better. Haven't done CA but looking to keep some of the wood feel on the pen.
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John just wanted to see who was paying attention!

“BTW, Ron Brown licenses Mike Meredith's Doctor's Woodshop products.”

Woodturners use different products to wet sand bare wood to keep dust down, or raise the grain on piece of wood prior to final sanding. If hang around woodworking message boards will see where different people recommending alcohol, mineral spirits, turpentine, water, and oils.

JMHO, my last choice would be oil of any kind but people do use and love using BLO, mineral, and Nut oils. If you like using Walnut oil go for it!

Normally only dampen bare wood with water to raise the grain before final sanding if using waterborne finish product. I will wet sand a film finish with water/soap mix to remove dust nibs or finish the finish. I do this with micromesh these days so dust not a problem.

Having said all this do think should keep an open mind and think about wood you are about to sand with walnut oil. Yes all wood dust is harmful if breathe or ingest enough of the stuff over short or long period of time. Wearing proper PPE will solve that problem. You can always check one of the many wood toxicity charts in the library or online. If want added protection when sanding toxic domestic or exotic woods might be a great idea even if dealing with an oily wood.
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Bob, what do you usually use on softer wood if you don't use the Pens Plus?
Normally I use CA for soft woods. They'll soak up the CA and make for a harder finish. Plus, with CA you have the option of a shiny finish using whAtever method you like. Or, you can knock down the shine with 0000 steel wool.

I have a pretty strong reaction to CA, so I rarely use it anymore.
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Thanks Bob for the information.
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I just finished a police baton (nightstick) in Goncalo Alves using walnut oil to wet sand through 600, then Pens Plus, and topped with the walnut oil micro crystal paste wax. Beautiful, deep shine, but it feels like wood, and (importantly) isn't slippery feeling. Really like the products, and the videos are super helpful.
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