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Old 10-29-2016, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default CA over Sanding Sealer or shellac?

Can I apply CA over Cellulose Sanding Sealer? What about over shellac?

(I know I can.... but should I?)

I am turning a pen out of cherry and I would like to enhance the color a bit.

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Old 10-29-2016, 09:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I'm not sure that either of those will change the color much unless the shellac is tinted. Sanding sealer does nothing to enhance color in my experience.

I think cherry looks great with ca.

If you do use shellac, dewaxed is best.

You might want to try a wipe with blo then ca.


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Old 10-29-2016, 11:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Default You are right, Dan

I just tried a sample and it didn't make any change to the color. I was wondering how it might affect the CA.

Whatever effect it might have, it really isn't worth it.

I agree about the Cherry. It is one of my favorite woods. I just wanted to 'boost' it a bit.

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I use a combination of Minwax Stain'n'Seal and CA for my usual finish .... but the stain is a "natural" color, sort of a light amber. It makes the wood appear to be wet, in appearance, and helps deepen the colors and highlights. It also happens to contain some boiled linseed oil, so it also has the same effects as the BLO+CA combination, where the CA cures a little faster.

If the "natural" look isn't quite dark enough for you, you could try enhancing the blank just before application by applying heat to darken it or possibly a dye or stain to darken the blank? In addition to those options, Minwax does, of course, carry actual stain colors in that exact same product line, if you want to try them out ... I got a pint can of it for around 7 dollars, I think.
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Can I apply CA over Cellulose Sanding Sealer? What about over shellac?

(I know I can.... but should I?)

I am turning a pen out of cherry and I would like to enhance the color a bit.

Thank you!
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Sanding sealer is shellac except it has more denatured alcohol in it .
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"Both are lac bug . . ." Is that a problem?
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The products that you know as "shellac" and "sanding sealer" are based from the same source .... the dung from the female lac bug....
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Shellac is often used as a sanding sealer. However, cellulose sanding sealer is an entirely different animal. It is basically nitrocellulose lacquer that has had stearates added to it to give it a fast build and to make it easy to sand off.

There is a good article on sealers by Michael Dresdner here:

When to Use Sanding Sealer / Rockler How-to

And another by Bob Flexner here:

Shellac as a sealer? It

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Not sure if this is what the OP meant but it is the same question I have. If you use shellac/sanding sealer, BLO or WOP, and then apply CA, will the CA adhere and will it stay on over the long term? I've heard some say that they apply CA over BLO without issue and some say that when they do that, the CA has a tendency to separate. So, does anyone have $0.02 to throw in? What is your experience?
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I'm not sure I see a reason for a sanding sealer if your gonna use CA. CA will fill the pours.
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