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Old 08-17-2018, 03:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Interesting... A lot of name calling and allegations without any proof going on here. I find youtube videos from 4 years ago with gluboost and guitar repairs. Are we sure who might have copied whom?

I think bad business practices include bashing products just because of an interest or selling of an alternative.
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Ok, I know this will be a can of worms

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Well.. you did indeed do that! Hope you get something out of the discussion and look beyond the assumptions and battles!
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:47 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The first youtube I can find on flex Mercury is 2-19-16, from Jim Hinze using a bottle that he got in the mail from Mercury (his assertion) as NEW stuff. The bottle has no label, but handprinted identifier--like a new product in testing. This is a couple years after GluBoost videos on Guitar repair.


Just in case a timeline really matters.



If one company uses a bottle design, I would not expect every other company to avoid that same design, so make your own judgement on how important that might be.


I think Coke and Pepsi use the same shape bottle, don't they?


I have used GluBoost and can attest to the claims that are made and documented on my vids. I have NOT used Mercury flex, but will try some soon so I can give an intelligent comparison--so far that seems lacking in the recent posts.
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So it’s using the same SDS as mercury and that makes it Plagiarism. Also same bottle. That makes it a clone. Either way that’s bad business practices.
I've no opinion on either product, but I do have some background with patents and MSDS's. If a product has a patent, then that is a slam dunk that competitors need to work around (which they can easily do with minor alterations....i.e., .035% of theirs, to .037% in ours = new product ), but if no patent, a similar or identical MSDS means nothing - plagarism? Maybe, but who cares, they did not have a patent. Choose the product you prefer, choose the company you prefer. Bad business practices, quite possibly, but you may not be so certain which company was replicating who's product. A lot of this is known chemistry from many years ago.

I'll stick to Titebond Transluscent and sticks of wood, as my CA finishes stink!

EDIT: Just to be honest, I just checked. I have some recent Mercury CA that Magicbob gave me, and some 2p-10 Fastcap that is about 4 years old. Like I said, I use mostly wood glue. My comments were more for the MSDS/patent issues.
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So itís using the same SDS as mercury and that makes it Plagiarism. Also same bottle. That makes it a clone. Either way thatís bad business practices.
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It's one thing to state that the two data sheets are the same. That may be a fact. Unless you know a lot more than you're letting on about these two companies and the sources of the datasheets, then I don't believe you can fairly draw the conclusion you did.
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So itís using the same SDS as mercury and that makes it Plagiarism. Also same bottle. That makes it a clone. Either way thatís bad business practices.


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It's one thing to state that the two data sheets are the same. That may be a fact. Unless you know a lot more than you're letting on about these two companies and the sources of the datasheets, then I don't believe you can fairly draw the conclusion you did.


Legally itís not a negative statement. Nor is it about any one entity. Itís about legal definition of Plagiarism. As stated elsewhere we donít know which side is guilty.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/plagiarism/
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For me, it would be nice if it was more important to share one's experience than to be "right" or try to persuade.

I am big advocate of the freedom of speech, but also our discourse makes folks feel comfortable asking questions and sharing their own opinions. And, no, there is no rule that says we should cultivate an environment about making all feel comfortable, but there are no rules about:


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But we do it anyway. There are enough books, YouTubes, and WW shops to teach someone what we do. However, it's the fellowship, willingness to help and be helped that make this a special place.

Ok, now I am going to go to bed with my "Fluffy" my stuffed unicorn. It (no gender) helps me dream of lavendar fields and rainbows. :-)
I am in agreement with Tony, so here is my impressions/ feelings/ and perspective on the GluBoost products. I am in no way an expert, but, I have used other CA products including the one that has no odor (can't) remember the name), Stick Fast, and Harbor Freight CA. My order from Exotics arrived yesterday and so far I have finished 4 pens with GluBoost following the instructions on Ed's video. IMHO (and admittedly limited experience) it is the best finish I have ever applied to a pen. Well worth the $42 it cost for the 2 glues and accelerator. Also I also really like the caps as I have tossed a bottle or two with poor caps after they thickened beyond use. Just my opinion. Take it for what it is's worth.

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I don’t see how it’s up to any of us to decide if either side is guilty of anything. I’m sure they both have attorneys or legal departments that can handle that. I would rather occupy my time using the products and letting the results speak for itself rather than accuse or argue about them. Life is too short.

As for the original question, Jim I have used several products on the market for finishing over the years. If your looking for durability, I have found that with a plexi finish, lacquer and CA ( mostly without accelerators) but they all take time applying and curing. Recently GluBoost was introduced to us for pen finishes and I have had the opportunity to apply it on a few alumilite casts to get a better shine. It is by far the fastest glue finish I have applied and it shined up very easily. The cost is a little more but you won’t have to spend as much time or use as much product to achieve a nice finish. Just my humble opinion.

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I watched the guitar repair videos. Assuming seeing is believing, it was being used on some very high-end instruments.
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