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Old 09-01-2005, 10:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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<br />Should be a winner based on previous work.
Thank you for the compliment Eagle.

Actually "your" techniques have been around for decades, probably longer, nothing really new here.

The technique for laminated pens is the same that I have used to make laminated frames in clocks. http://tinyurl.com/992t9

The technique I'm using to make the Arbez pen is the same that I've used to make accented corners in jewelry boxes. http://tinyurl.com/9au27

The technique you used for your stained glass pen is the same technique used in the book "Laminated Design in wood" http://tinyurl.com/b7vy8. I purchased this book back in 1998 when it only cost $19.00. While I marvel at the work in this book, I have only tried the vary basic steps to make inlays for jewelry boxes.

I came across articles on how to do these techniques at least 20 years ago when I started woodworking. Just like you, I copied the technique, not the wood project and applied them in my own way.

So here you are accusing me of copying work that you have admitted that you copied yourself.
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<br />I got the concept from a <b>picture</b> RPM posted and stated so in one of my posts,
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I will not rob you of the elation I feel when I make something neat and I figured it out how to do it myself.
I believe that's referred to as "pride in accomplishment"
I feel "pride in accomplishment", but you seem to take pride in squashing that pride. The difference between you and me is I take pride in sharing what I know.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
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They are all woodworking concepts and techniques that have been around I agree.
Put them in a piece of wood that is 5& 1/2 inches by 3/4 " square and count your fingers before you start and when you are done.
This is all done on a tablesaw and scroll or bandsaw.
Still waiting to see your pen similar to mine and all the rest of your "innovative" ideas when you get one.
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Ron, you obviously have a problem with Eagle and are taking great joy in pulling his chain... it is a very immature attitude that is becoming annoying due to the fact that we all see it...
Call me dumb, but I don't see it. The first post in this topic is Ron explaining how to glue up a laminate. I don't see Eagle mentioned at all. I DO see Eagle throwing his usual "oh yeah, prove it" bait into the topic.

I agree, Eagle provides lots of inspiration with his photos, and his work is obviously first class. What I could really live without is the constant reminder that if you want to be as good as Eagle, you have to figure it out for yourself.

This site is about sharing knowledge. If you don't want to, that's fine, but don't hold it over our heads.
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"There is nothing new under the sun" Quote by King Solomon (Bible text)[:D]
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It takes 2 to Tango...and the way I see it, both are doing the "dance".

I actually got an email re: this and the scenarios are not pretty but very realistic.

I agree with Tom in that Eagle only have to share what he wants. I also agree with Jeff about the baiting.
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<br />Call me dumb, but I don't see it.

With all due respect Jeff. If you don't see it then I suggest that you are in the minority. If you read Ron's second reply it should become more clear.

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What I could really live without is the constant reminder that if you want to be as good as Eagle, you have to figure it out for yourself.
I cannot recall him ever saying his work was better than everyone else, nor did he ever say his work was better than anyone else, however he has said it is different.


Eagle is my friend and I'm proud to say so. He may be difficult to understand, figure out, get along with, or whatever you choose to say. I don't have any difficulty getting along with him. I agree with him on many things and I also disagree with him on still more things. I have disagreed with him both publicly and privately and at the end of the day we each speak our minds and if we cannot agree, or come to a compromise, then we just disagree and move on.

I have made a denim pen because Eagle gave me a pointer and when I displayed to him that I tried and was at a sticking point and he pointed me in a direction that helped me to find the way. I know he has also done this for others.


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<br />"There is nothing new under the sun" Quote by King Solomon (Bible text)[:D]
Correct.........then Albert Einstein say " nothing is created, every things is transformed"
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I posted this on another topic but I thought it would go good here also.

I for one love looking at Eagles pens and would never think I could do better than him. But along the same line, I am glad Eagle has never thought that he was better than me. That is one of the things I enjoy about Eagle is the different things he does with his pens. He wants to be different in the way his pens are made and I respect that. I have gotten to talk to Eagle on the phone several times over the last month or so about antlers and corn cobs and politics and people and anything in between. It is always a great conversation, just as it has been with Old Griz, Nils, Anthony, Penpauli, Pastorbill, etc. I enjoy this forum immensely and have learned lots from the members. I appreciate the support in hard times and the good times. I wish that the bickering would stop though. I feel some members try to post topics that try to get things stirred up.

I have heard something about a GUMP button, I still have not found it on the computer, is there a how to tutorial about it somewhere?
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Ron, you obviously have a problem with Eagle and are taking great joy in pulling his chain... it is a very immature attitude that is becoming annoying due to the fact that we all see it...
Call me dumb, but I don't see it. The first post in this topic is Ron explaining how to glue up a laminate. I don't see Eagle mentioned at all. I DO see Eagle throwing his usual "oh yeah, prove it" bait into the topic.

I agree, Eagle provides lots of inspiration with his photos, and his work is obviously first class. What I could really live without is the constant reminder that if you want to be as good as Eagle, you have to figure it out for yourself.

This site is about sharing knowledge. If you don't want to, that's fine, but don't hold it over our heads.
Jeff,

I would like to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Ron's post. Given that Eagle has posted his laminated pens, and Frank has posted pictures of Eagle's blanks, the timing of Ron's post is suspect. Then, his starting line ("Making laminated pens similar to the ones we see here on IAP is very simple.")to my eyes can only be seen as a shot at Eagle.

I firmly believe that this forum needs "an Eagle." I have talked/listened to Eagle on the phone several times over the last couple of months. He is a Pandora's Box of ideas. I only wish I could record the conversations and have them transcribed so that I could recall some of his insights. Can Eagle be a pain sometimes? Hell, Yes! Has Eagle ever said that he was better or his pens better than anyone else's on the forum? I would have to say no to this question. Eagle proudly proclaims in word and deed that his pens are different. As a B2B turner, yes his pens are different than mine. Better?, I don't think you will find Eagle making that statement. When Eagle posts his laminations, I am not inspired to emulate them for they are not "my thing." I do not feel that he owes me an explanation of how he does it, although he has given me several cryptic hints that I have chosen to apply to simpler project that appeal to my more pedestrian taste.

What I question here and have questioned in other places on the site is the need for personal differences to lead to posts that are only intended to start/continue discord. I would prefer to learn from Eagle, Ron, Griz, and countless others on this site rather than maneuver around the "cow pie" posts. Try a little application of the Golden Rule before you hit the "Post New Reply" button.

As always, my opinions, and mine alone.
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Jeff,

I would like to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Ron's post. Given that Eagle has posted his laminated pens, and Frank has posted pictures of Eagle's blanks, the timing of Ron's post is suspect. Then, his starting line ("Making laminated pens similar to the ones we see here on IAP is very simple.")to my eyes can only be seen as a shot at Eagle.
William,

Have you ever considered that maybe Ron was just trying to help other penturners who may want to try something that they have recently seen?

How is that a shot at anybody?
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