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Old 07-10-2018, 04:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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To all sellers:
Rant 1
When showing pictures of items for sale, please show the actual items. Not "typical."
Rant 2
Don't ask the buyer to pay through "Family and Friends." This is cheating PayPal. Price your sale items to cover your sale costs or request another form of payment.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought "family and friends " just meant the buyer paid the PayPal fees and not the seller, PayPal still got their money.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The last time I checked, there are no fees when using Family and Friends.
No fee when you use your bank or balance to send USD in the U.S.

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Old 07-10-2018, 05:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Every time I have used "Family and Friends" I have paid the fees.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Why should the buyer have to jump through hoops and pay fees that the seller should pay? If you want to sell something, make it as easy for the buyer as possible.
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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PayPal Friends & Family (f & f) has no fees if using either a PayPal balance or direct debit from a linked checking or savings account--otherwise the sender/buyer pays the fees. Below is a quote from a respected member who has organized several group purchases:
"Several members and organizers have asked PayPal regarding the use of "Friends and Family" payment option. And it is OK in their eyes and has been each time they were contacted. The "Friends and Family" payment method has no fees for the recipient, thus saving you money."

The time was taken to check with PayPal, and the answer is above--especially important since the purchase ultimately flowed to a retailer. So, the question of integrity to the PayPal system has become a moot point to me. I buy off-cuts from a few furniture makers around the US who actually prefer to invoice and pay the seller's fees as it allow them to single-click for shipping. For most of my purchases on here, I have faith in the seller, who is a fellow hobbyist, and it has never resulted in an adverse transaction--so no need for ME to question the integrity of our members.

For "for sale" postings I don't have a comfortable feel for--or that seem too complex for me (90 items to select one at a time--I don't want to work that hard!!), I simply pass on the opportunity. But that's my choice, and the feelings of others may vary. I guess the "market" will ultimately dictate its own terms--with or without my criticism.

My views, your mileage may vary.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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In our country I try to pay direct into the sellers bank account as an indication of my good faith.

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Old 07-11-2018, 12:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't think it's about fees as much as it is the protections afforded to buyers by PayPal. It is easy enough after all for a seller to add transaction fees to the selling price. It is also pretty easy for a buyer to make a claim (true or false) against a seller and receive a refund from PayPal. PayPal recovers the money from the seller.

If the buyer pays using the Friends and Family option, the transaction is considered a gift, not a purchase. The buyer is left without any recourse and the seller doesn't have to worry about a future claim for a refund (Item not Received, Item not as Described, etc.).
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:27 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I waited for hours before saying anything about this post, trying to tone down my reply. If you don't like the way someone is selling an item don't buy it. Why is it your job to lecture everyone to your way of thinking? Skip the ad and purchase from someone that does it your way, life is too short to get upset over something that you can't control.
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