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Old 07-28-2018, 06:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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John T - I don’t think there is anything wrong with your comments. Let’s see what you said.

You think the design is too generic.
You don’t want to take anything away from what Chuck did.
You made a suggestion as to how to get some of our creative members involved in the design process.
You made several suggestions on how the design could be improved.
You provided a link to a company that makes membership cards.

From what I read here, you have done a lot more than the people who are complaining about your post.
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Old 07-28-2018, 06:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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John T - I don’t think there is anything wrong with your comments. Let’s see what you said.

You think the design is too generic.
You don’t want to take anything away from what Chuck did.
You made a suggestion as to how to get some of our creative members involved in the design process.
You made several suggestions on how the design could be improved.
You provided a link to a company that makes membership cards.

From what I read here, you have done a lot more than the people who are complaining about your post.

WOW someone with some kind words and not afraid to put a name to it. Thank you Jim. Yes to all above.

My point was back in 2014 we took the time to talk about it. Here it is 4 years later and it gets brought back up which is fine and hopefully a good thing. Why do we not talk about it. It looks like something that can stand for a long time and hopefully prove to be useful. We are creators here. Don't forget there are a ton more new members here since this was first discussed so there maybe other ideas out there or others that can help in other ways. I wish I had the computer skills that others have. Heck I am lucky to be able to turn this thing on. Anyway I tried , if that makes me a bad guy then so be it.
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Old 07-28-2018, 10:06 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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John Styles posted this in his first post on the forum:
Hello to all. Iím a new member. I have been making pens for less than a year and love it. I was reading through threads and saw the poll on membership card. Looks like most members support the idea.



So my question is, what happened?

Is there a membership card?

My local store gives a discount for membership but now requires that you shop them a card...

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Welcome. The topic you brought up was posted here if anyone wants to look. Things do not move swiftly here so if you want to get something going go for it.

After noticing this had been brought up before, and still no action had been taken, I thought it might be a good idea to make a move on it. So I did. I spent more time than I should have, trying to sort out, where to start, what to do after that, where to get cards made, how to design it, how to get a contest going, how many cards would we have to order? How much would they cost? How much would postage be? How much time would this consume? Then it occurred to me, that we might be over thinking this. That's when I thought posting something on the forum, that only members could print their own cards, and save on labor and expense. Not thinking about how pretty it had to be to get a discount at a store.

I only decided to take JT's own advice to John Styles, and go for it. I know you can do better than I did. And to that I say "GO FOR IT"
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Regardless of any drama going on between members here, I am a graphic designer in the publishing industry. I've gotten so much from this forum and haven't given much back so I'd like to offer my skills if you all need something designed for a membership card of sorts. Anyone involved in the production of these, feel free to reach out to me for any help!
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Old 07-29-2018, 02:04 AM   #15 (permalink)
 
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Chuck the work you did is great. The others that helped also. But again my point is to come here and say here is your membership card is a little pushy. You are probably right about the cost expense being the addition of names and numbers continue to grow so having something on file and just download and have each do it on whatever paper or material is their doing makes sense.

I believe we are better than a generic card with a logo and name on it. Being creative is what I hope this site strives for. It is something that can last and be passed down for all those that come and join. There are a ton of new members that have joined since this topic first surfaced and maybe they can lend some fresh ideas or new methods. There are also people good at photoshop and other artistic software. I am not one so I can not help. I believe if we open this up to civil conversation just maybe something can get done this time around.

I will give some of my thoughts to start things. We have to first ask what info do we really need on membership card?? We probably all have one now or at one time and take a look at it. Do we need address?/ Do we need or want to put the web site of this forum on there?? I say just a name and your ID number is sufficient.

We all agree that the standard logo is a must because that is how we are recognized. But can we dress the card up some?? I believe we can and with programs such as photoshop where you can layer things it should not be too hard to do for someone who does that stuff. My suggestions are to have a segmented boarder of a darker blue than our logo with a white pinstripe through it. The background can be floating pens with some nibs mixed in. Then the logo lays on top with maybe a solid pen underneath it or have it beginning the line where your name goes something like in my logo on the bottom of my page. My other suggestion is to look at all the logo designs made for the contests every year and something may strike an interest.

I have to say the best logo design of the site I have seen done here was done by Sylvanite (Eric). I hope he does not mind me referencing his work here. I like the idea of a pen going through the logo. He also incorporated a world map to signify that we are a world wide forum that has members from everywhere. Maybe incorporate something like this would class the card up.



Again I say this with no disrespect to what you did Chuck. I hope others would join in with their thoughts for this is something that they too have a hand in and lets make it a group effort and get something done.
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Old 07-29-2018, 06:27 AM   #16 (permalink)
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When this was discussed at various points over the years, I envisioned something similar to what JT described relative to the data on the card and the process used to design it. However, I've never found the time to wrangle the whole thing. I do appreciate that Chuck kicked this off with something, because I never have.

One of the reasons I never felt an urgency to do this was that I personally didn't see the usefulness of the card. I don't shop in stores, and so if the primary purpose is for a vendor discount, I didn't see that being worth the effort. I can certainly be convinced otherwise.

Discount programs can be arranged for on-line ordering, but those usually require providing the member database, or at least a list of those who want to participate, to the vendor. We can do that, but the "cost" of that is putting up with marketing emails from the vendors. (At least that's what the one's I've discussed require...) Again, my thinking can be adjusted on this.

What I envisioned production-wise was a dedicated printer and laminating system operated by someone authorized by us. Until I retire in 3 years, I don't have time to do this. I also figured that a small donation would cover the expense of producing and mailing the card. Another option would be to do periodic bulk orders from a place such as this. They can do custom data per card.

Here's what I suggest:

A poll to determine the level of interest. If there seems to be a critical mass of people interested, come up with a rough cost for implementing the system. If with that cost known there is still interest, run a contest to design the card.

I'll definitely help with data, etc., but we need someone to spearhead this.
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As far as personalizing cards with names and info a data merge program like mail houses use or one like email adverts use to personalize messages is nothing new. The database just has to be formatted properly and the card image has to have the proper data points defined in it to automate the routine. While not familiar with the exact details I have worked around such systems for quite a while in the printing industry, once the front end work is accomplished the rest is easy. Im pretty sure thats what the woodworking club I referred to earlier used and incorporated into a member page to distribute id cards to its membership.
Do we have any members who work in that field who can share thier expertise?
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Jt, people are tired of your trash talk. Its always, you can do it better. And it's every thread. Im tired of reading it. Either step up to the plate or quit criticizing. I wont respond anymore to this thread.
I kinda like what John writes. It's to the point, no frills and usually makes good sense. I've taken a lot of what he has written and used it in my pen turning. Like John, I'm not gifted with design ability. I've got an idea in my head but to try and put it to paper just won't happen so I rely on others to do my design work.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:36 AM   #19 (permalink)
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OK folks, I think I have a highly competent volunteer to spearhead this.

In the next day or so, I'm going to run a poll on this issue and see if there's interest in it. If we get a couple hundred people who'd like to have a card, then we'll see about moving forward.

If we do move ahead, we'll have a poll and discussion on what data to include. Once we agree on that, we'll come up with a design (possibly a contest). Then we'll look at production options, and figure out what the costs would be.

If we do not move forward with producing cards, we can still consider a member-printable design.
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:19 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Well, Jeff's "highly competent" volunteer bailed on him so I'll be taking care of it.

The poll numbers are pretty clear. I'll seek out some providers of plastic Identification Cards and try to find out exactly what the "nominal fee" will be.


Design:

I'm partial to contests myself. I'll touch base with Activity Director Mike Redburn after the Summer Extravaganza has ended and those prizes have been distributed. It will undoubtedly consist of elimination polls and I don't want to do anything to interfere with Extravaganza voting. In the mean time those of you who have a flare for graphic art and design can start stoking the creative fires within you!

Content:

I had a brief discussion with Jeff and we agreed that the information contained on the card will be:

+Full first and last name

+IAP screen name

+Membership number

+Member since (date you joined)

Any compelling argument for the eliminatin of any of that information or the addition of other information will be considered.

The card will also bear the signiture of at least one, if not two true IAP luminaries.

So, off we go. I'll keep everyone informed of what I find in the way of vendor and cost. I look forward to any questions or comments.
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