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Old 01-11-2018, 07:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Ok, just sent them another RFQ for the next size up machine and also drop down one level on the DRO. I don't need 1 micron resolution. The 5 micron version is more than adequate for my needs which knocks about $130 off the DRO itself.
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You can get a 5C collet chuck, D1-4 mount, that opens and closes with a chuck key for under $400. A 5C Collet closer that has the open/close leaver on the outboard end of the headstock and the drawbar through the shaft for about $600 to $800. And if you really want to gulp, an Atlas hand wheel open/close 5C chuck with a D1-4 mount is about $1600. All from the guys you don't want to do business with, Grizzly. Others sell the same but you'll have to look around.

ER32 chucks for bigger lathes are hard to find because 5C collets are for work holding and ER32 are for tool holding machine bits in milling machines. It's only the little hobby lathe and wood lathes that use them. You will have to adapt an ER32 chuck to work on any bigger metal lathe. The UK may've some if you look as they have stuff you can't find here.

You probably read that the metal lathe is the cheap part. The tooling for them is what hurts.

For my Grizzly lathe I have a D1-5 mount and I have a 5C chuck key type chuck. I really wish I could have afforded the Atlas hand wheel one. Knew a guy with one and it was slick. ;) Someday I'd like to put a DRO on it.

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You can get a 5C collet chuck, D1-4 mount, that opens and closes with a chuck key for under $400. A 5C Collet closer that has the open/close leaver on the outboard end of the headstock and the drawbar through the shaft for about $600 to $800. And if you really want to gulp, an Atlas hand wheel open/close 5C chuck with a D1-4 mount is about $1600. All from the guys you don't want to do business with, Grizzly. Others sell the same but you'll have to look around.

ER32 chucks for bigger lathes are hard to find because 5C collets are for work holding and ER32 are for tool holding machine bits in milling machines. It's only the little hobby lathe and wood lathes that use them. You will have to adapt an ER32 chuck to work on any bigger metal lathe. The UK may've some if you look as they have stuff you can't find here.

You probably read that the metal lathe is the cheap part. The tooling for them is what hurts.

For my Grizzly lathe I have a D1-5 mount and I have a 5C chuck key type chuck. I really wish I could have afforded the Atlas hand wheel one. Knew a guy with one and it was slick. ;) Someday I'd like to put a DRO on it.

Oh I didn't mean to stress you out. Honest, but you asked.
All good points honestly. And it's not that I don't want to buy from Grizzly, I just don't want to buy the lathe from Grizzly. 2 others that I know have dealt with 1 that caught fire and 1 that burned through bearings in less than a year. Lots of very mixed opinions on them over the last few years is enough to make me second guess where to put a significant chunk of my investment.

I'd love a lever close 5C honestly. Being able to swap parts in seconds would be a dream. I'd probably kick myself in a year when I have extra cash to spend on tooling and not be able to do something like that. I also like the nearly 4" of travel on the tail stock quill.

The bigger machine does comes at a cost of having to retool for the MT3 tail stock or get an adapter but that's minimal. I'd probably want to upgrade my cutter sizes as well but that's a Grizzly thing too.
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I feel your pain. Every time you think you have decided, bam, something else comes along.
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Depending on your accuracy requirements you can buy a square or hexagonal er 32 chuck for around $25-$40 that you can mount in your chuck already on the lathe. If you make an Index mark so you mount it the same way, you can match the angle of the er32 and cut a very light cut to true it up to your machine. If your using the 4 jaw independent chuck it would not work as easily since you would still have to Dial it in every time. It works ok on scroll jaw chucks.
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Got the quote back and it's about $900 more by the time I move to the bigger machine and take a bit off for the lower resolution DRO.

Sigh. I know I'll be kicking myself if I don't get the bigger one.
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You are going to go to a 1236 right?
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You are going to go to a 1236 right?
Nope, for sure don't need that. The one I think I'll pull the trigger on is listed as an 11x29 by Weiss and a 12x28 by PM. Same machine from what I can figure out.

Hey, on the up side I'll finally be able to turn the hub-centric flange down on my old bug rotors and get my wheels mounted. Couldn't do that on my 7x lathe.
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I don't know, Carl. Looking at the specs, the Weiss and the 1228 seem to be the same machine. If I look at the pictures though the Weiss looks just like the PM 1127. Maybe I'm in the wrong place or something.

The real reason for my comment though, is to point you toward Frank Hoose's multipart review of the 1228 on his Youtube site if you haven't seen it already. It's pretty complete and he's done follow-ups on mods that he has done.

As far as I know he hasn't added a DRO and hasn't mentioned any plans to although he does have a series on adding a DRO setup to a mini-mill.

Without going back to check, I seem to remember that you had planned to purchase the stand for whichever lathe you chose. Frank Hoose did that and ended up dispensing with the factory stand. He explains why in one of his follow-up videos.

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Old 01-12-2018, 05:43 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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A little more info which you may or may not be aware of:

1. Weiss is the Chinese manufacturer of these machines.

2. There is a Yahoo group dedicated to Weiss/PM machines:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bluemachining/info

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