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Old 06-23-2017, 08:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Taps and dies work exactly the same way each time, no worries about setting the lathe up perfectly each time. Taps and dies are much easier to carry and store, AND at lest $1000 cheaper than a metal lathe with all of the extra tooling.
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I did my first kitless pen on the wood lathe. I have done the rest on my metal lathe.

Your headstock and tailstock will have to aligned very well to do kitless. None of the three wood lathes I have are aligned well, and none of them have an adjustable tailstock. I don't know what lathe you have. The Nova 1624 and the DVR have adjustable tailstock. I'm looking to buy one this winter for that exact reason.

Of course, I want a second smaller metal lathe for the basement in the winter. You won't regret getting a metal lathe. I guarantee it.
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I enjoy the "puzzle" aspect and free form nature of making kitless pens on a wood lathe, that being said many of the tooling and techniques am using are more machinest in nature , and eventually may switch over or benefit from having both depending on nature of project, that being said a wood lathe is a lower cost entry to turning and in both scenarios the cost of the lathe is negligible in comparison to the cost of tooling, chucks, etc which is where the real expense kicks in


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The only advantage I could see for buying a machinist lathe is if you plan to make perfectly smooth cylindrical pens and let the lathe make the pen for you. Or for being lazy/efficient about rounding square blanks. Beyond that, you can do everything else on a wood lathe just as well with a set of manual taps and dies for all the threaded connections.
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Thanks everyone. I will do the taps and dies and the metal lathe lathe later to make parts for kitless pens.


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I bought a little machine shop 5200 and I have to say that I really enjoy it. I am working on making TBC bushings for all the kits I use and have recently learned how to turn kitless on it, with the help of a member. I enjoy picking up an new skill set.


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The only advantage I could see for buying a machinist lathe is if you plan to make perfectly smooth cylindrical pens and let the lathe make the pen for you. Or for being lazy/efficient about rounding square blanks. Beyond that, you can do everything else on a wood lathe just as well with a set of manual taps and dies for all the threaded connections.

With some simple modifications the metal lathe can make complex curves as well. I was able to design, make, and install a pattern tracer in an afternoon on my mini metal lathe.

One can also add a tool rest and turn by hand like a wood lathe.



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The only advantage I could see for buying a machinist lathe is if you plan to make perfectly smooth cylindrical pens and let the lathe make the pen for you. Or for being lazy/efficient about rounding square blanks. Beyond that, you can do everything else on a wood lathe just as well with a set of manual taps and dies for all the threaded connections.

With some simple modifications the metal lathe can make complex curves as well. I was able to design, make, and install a pattern tracer in an afternoon on my mini metal lathe.

One can also add a tool rest and turn by hand like a wood lathe.



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The only advantage I could see for buying a machinist lathe is if you plan to make perfectly smooth cylindrical pens and let the lathe make the pen for you. Or for being lazy/efficient about rounding square blanks. Beyond that, you can do everything else on a wood lathe just as well with a set of manual taps and dies for all the threaded connections.

With some simple modifications the metal lathe can make complex curves as well. I was able to design, make, and install a pattern tracer in an afternoon on my mini metal lathe.

One can also add a tool rest and turn by hand like a wood lathe.



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I'm certainly not dismissing that a metal lathe works for kitless pen turning, just stating in my opinion that it's an unnecessary upfront cost for someone starting out making kitless. A set of taps and dies and a steady hand work perfectly fine on a wood lathe. One can always upgrade later once they see a benefit to doing so, it's a lot harder to recover from expenses that could have been avoided.
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The only advantage I could see for buying a machinist lathe is if you plan to make perfectly smooth cylindrical pens and let the lathe make the pen for you. Or for being lazy/efficient about rounding square blanks. Beyond that, you can do everything else on a wood lathe just as well with a set of manual taps and dies for all the threaded connections.




With some simple modifications the metal lathe can make complex curves as well. I was able to design, make, and install a pattern tracer in an afternoon on my mini metal lathe.



One can also add a tool rest and turn by hand like a wood lathe.







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I'm certainly not dismissing that a metal lathe works for kitless pen turning, just stating in my opinion that it's an unnecessary upfront cost for someone starting out making kitless. A set of taps and dies and a steady hand work perfectly fine on a wood lathe. One can always upgrade later once they see a benefit to doing so, it's a lot harder to recover from expenses that could have been avoided.


Don't even need stead hands, place the tap in a drill chuck and hand tap from the tail stock,for dies, can get inexpensive round die holders ~$15 from a machinest supply and place in drill or collet chuck also in rail stock, and wala flawless tapping , you can also make a die holder from derlin or wood if so desire


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