TBC Bushings are comming

[shortz1lla]

As a relatively new penturner coming at this from callmaking, it is always better to have more than one way to reach the desired end. The structural integrity of the bushings is a non-issue. Forcing 303 Stainless to fail by turning softer materials, whether or not there is a hole simply will not happen. Anyone here ever break a diamond with a cheeseburger? Didn't think so. In response to Dan Masshardt: I think beginners, or individuals not presently TBC, also want better bushings... and would pay for them. I just got a 60° dead center, but I have a few sets of bushings that are terribly manufactured and would still like to get better ones for specific kits. Another reason having a through-hole is wise would be for those who make a lot of single barreled pens to rough shape multiples more quickly.

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Actually Ed it makes no big difference as the 30% who voted a thru hole did for a reason, and the 70% who voted no thru hole did it because that's what they are used to and the way I framed the poll left them no other choice. As a vendor I think 99% of the voters who voted no thru hole would still buy them and all 30% who voted thru hole would also buy them, so the sound business decision would be to accommodate all at this point. We are going to keep the cost down as much as possible so making one style at this time would accommodate the most customers and help us have the lowest final price available. As always appreciate your input.

Sorry, dont get offended but you are going with the hole regardless of what the 70% majority voted for? What was the point of having the vote in the first place other than a marketing ploy? Did I read that right?

Also one last question on this, been bugging me for a very long time now. What end user advantage is there to having a TBC bushing with a hole in the middle of it? I can think of no advantages at all from the end users standpoint. The only advantage I can think of is perhaps to push one product to multiple groups while skimping on machine time to increase profits.

Here is the reason, read my words in red.This was indeed never intended to be anything other than a way to find the best way to serve my customers. I freely admit I framed the poll wrong which I think skewed results as I also believed as most others did that there was less contact with the thru hole until Constance showed us that there was the same. You ask what is the end user advantage, the advantage is the end user can use them either way and there is no disadvantage unless you can show me that in turning a pen drilling a thru hole in 303/316 stainless has weakened the product to the point of making it unsuitable for PEN TURNING, maybe for jet aircraft but not PEN TURNING. The pen turning public has been using bushings from the time the first slim line bushing was shipped with the first mandrel with thru holes, this is an improvement on that as it will they are made with a better quality steel and much closer tolerances and can be used between centers and on a mandrel both ways giving a better end product, a nice round pen.
You speak of profits as though that is a bad thing, sorry to disappoint you but yes we at Classic's do think of making a profit for both us and our vendor partners but never at the expense of our customers. We could make these both ways and our inventories would cost us more and our investment would be much higher so in the long run the end user, you the customer will pay more because of our extra expense, when it is not needed.

 

[Dan Masshardt]

So at this point are we assuming that those who took the pole thought that there was a difference in that's not there or misunderstood the question?

It would be interesting (but we may never know) if people would or wouldn't vote differently with a differently worded poll.

Lots of votes but relatively few comments (from more than a handful of conversation partners).

 

[edstreet]

Interesting to note the rules posted was for the market research forum and not for the vendor forums. So a new one could be opened there and 'worded properly'. However it is very highly unlikely you will see any big changes to the results unless you did some heavy baiting to swing the super majority.


Also worthy of note is since glut like behavior it might also be highly beneficial for a group type buy. There is afterall a new forum section for just this type of thing.

 

[Smitty37]

Actually Ed it makes no big difference as the 30% who voted a thru hole did for a reason, and the 70% who voted no thru hole did it because that's what they are used to and the way I framed the poll left them no other choice. As a vendor I think 99% of the voters who voted no thru hole would still buy them and all 30% who voted thru hole would also buy them, so the sound business decision would be to accommodate all at this point. We are going to keep the cost down as much as possible so making one style at this time would accommodate the most customers and help us have the lowest final price available. As always appreciate your input.

Sorry, dont get offended but you are going with the hole regardless of what the 70% majority voted for? What was the point of having the vote in the first place other than a marketing ploy? Did I read that right?

Also one last question on this, been bugging me for a very long time now. What end user advantage is there to having a TBC bushing with a hole in the middle of it? I can think of no advantages at all from the end users standpoint. The only advantage I can think of is perhaps to push one product to multiple groups while skimping on machine time to increase profits.

Where is there any 'skimping' on machine time by drilling all the way through the bushing instead of just part way??

There is an obvious advantage to the end user who wants to do both mandrel turning and TBC. This migh manifest itself more with two barrel kits where the user sometimes may want to turn both barrels at the same time.

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Interesting to note the rules posted was for the market research forum and not for the vendor forums. So a new one could be opened there and 'worded properly'. However it is very highly unlikely you will see any big changes to the results unless you did some heavy baiting to swing the super majority.


Also worthy of note is since glut like behavior it might also be highly beneficial for a group type buy. There is afterall a new forum section for just this type of thing.

You just can't help yourself can you ? Do you actually think members here can be baited into switching their votes and that I have the ability to do so?
As to a group buy, we'll see.

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Dan, you are right we have had lots of votes but few comments if any at all on why they voted the way that they did. If I was to run another poll in the Vendor forum would it would smack of commercialism?

 

[thewishman]

Dan, you are right we have had lots of votes but few comments if any at all on why they voted the way that they did. If I was to run another poll in the Vendor forum would it would smack of commercialism?

I think it would be welcomed as a bit of clarity.

 

[Dan Masshardt]

Dan, you are right we have had lots of votes but few comments if any at all on why they voted the way that they did. If I was to run another poll in the Vendor forum would it would smack of commercialism?

Well, the vendor forum is made for commercialism - in the best sense.

My opinion is that if you as the business owner are convinced as to what you want to do, you should do it as it's your prerogative.

If you want to make the bushings that the majority of people want most, doing another poll wouldn't be a bad idea.

I don't think people would fault you for it if the explanation is that you are seeking clarity.

You are going to make the bushings one way or the other it seems.

The vendor forum seems like the place to talk about products and potential products to your hearts content.

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Will give some thought

I have a number of orders to fill so after I get them out I will give some thought to maybe running a poll in the Vendor Forum.

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Guys and Gals I see no way if I do another poll that I won't be accused of skewing that poll with the knowledge I now have of the 60 degree contact being the same.

 

[Smitty37]

Guys and Gals I see no way if I do another poll that I won't be accused of skewing that poll with the knowledge I now have of the 60 degree contact being the same.

Roy, a poll is to gain information and based on the results(or not) you can take (or not take) any action you want. In the end it is a business decision that only you can make....

 

[Curly]

I have no bone in this now fight as I didn't vote,,,,,,,,but if you want to justify the thru hole. :tongue: It is needed because it lets the air out of the tube when the piston fit, close tolerance, bushings are put in the tube. :biggrin: :wink:

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Can't please them all but we try

OK after talking this over with Constance we have come to a FIRM decision. When this poll is over whatever % is on each side we will manufacture the bushings in that number. Now lets stop this debate and we look forward to supplying you our customers with a much needed product at a fair price.

So if you want a solid bushing or a drilled thru bushing you will have a choice. Constance assures me this will not present a problem and we can keep the cost the same.

 

[Tom T]

Thank you, looking forward to really good and true bushing.

 

[Constant Laubscher]

The material for the bushings will be in on Thursday and I shall post a list of what will be done in the first run.

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

Thanks for the update!

 

[hcpens]

How do we order the TBC bushings from you?

 

[DWulf]

Fingers crossed that Jr. Gent 1 and Cigar will be in the first run - I'm in need of both

 

[Lenny]

Roy, count me as one who voted for the tbc version but would like to change my vote.
I think the version with the hole through it would often be handy ... Such as when using a mandrel in the collet chuck. best of both worlds.

I'm just happy you are going to be providing them .... whatever way you go!

 

[64Stang]

I'm a buyer!

I am very pleased to see this movement afoot, I have found also that it is a much needed service. I even thought of venturing in it myself at one point. I am in desperate need of some slimline TBC bushings along with some others!

 

[OKLAHOMAN]

How do we order the TBC bushings from you?

Richard when they arrive in about 3 more weeks I will be listing them on my site Welcome to The Classic Nib I will also letting all know they are in stock and ready for shipping here on the IAP.

 

[hagemierj]

I am trying to find TBC bushings for PSI Graduate twist rollerball pens. They may also go under a different name, but I don't know it. I was just at the 'Nib site and didn't find them there. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

J

 

[Dan Masshardt]

I am trying to find TBC bushings for PSI Graduate twist rollerball pens. They may also go under a different name, but I don't know it. I was just at the 'Nib site and didn't find them there. Any suggestions? Thanks! J

You mean twist ballpoint? Rollerball is the magnetic cap.

 

[hagemierj]

Yup, said rollerball, meant ball point. The Graduate is a ballpoint twist style pen.

Bought these one sale:
6 Graduate Pen Kit Starter Package at Penn State Industries

 

[Dan Masshardt]

Yup, said rollerball, meant ball point. The Graduate is a ballpoint twist style pen. Bought these one sale: 6 Graduate Pen Kit Starter Package at Penn State Industries[/QUOTE
I have a set for the magnetic but have never seen any for the twist.

Honestly, I don't know if there would be the market for them. My observation is that the majority of folks here shy away from cross style refills in favor of Parker's.

They are a pretty sharp looking pen though.

Check out the magnetic one sometime if you haven't already. I just made one and will be making more.

 

[hagemierj]

Will take a look at the magnetic! Where did you get the bushings you have? One thing I am wondering is if the kit I got from PSI goes under a different name...

Thanks!

J

 

[Edward Cypher]

Got my bushings today plus a nice acrylic surprise. Thanks so much and as soon as it warms up here in Colorado I am going to try them out. Great people to do buisness with.