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Old 01-22-2014, 08:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Craft Coat (CC) - A new water-based finishing product

I have enough testers now... I will keep you all posted how this "turns out". Additionally, if you want to share your sample with friends to get a bigger pool of results, feel free to do so.

Please post your results to this thread.

Hello IAP,

I am working with a cousin to help out with a product of his; he owns Eco Advance. The product is called Craft Coat (I have been calling it CC for short). It is a water-based finishing product similar to Wood Turners Finish (WTF), but it produces a much nicer and durable finish like a CA finish does.

About Echo Advance:
Eco Advancements, Inc. is dedicated to the advancement of environmentally safe coatings, sealers, paints and cleaners. Our company is committed to the development and manufacturing of products that help preserve the environment without sacrificing performance. All Eco Advance products, including raw materials, and even packaging are made in the USA.

We have our own in-house R&D and quality control departments and a substantial portion of our resources are continually invested in to new products and technologies. Among our team’s accomplishments is the invention of the first waterborne oil modified coatings to surpass EPA environmental requirements. We also invented the revolutionary instant-cure UV coatings technology.

Our products are manufactured, stored and shipped from a 40,000 square foot state-of-the art manufacturing facility centrally located in Arkansas. We are one of the fastest growing eco products companies in the country and our products are widely sold and used in the US, Canada, Australia, Brazil, and Malaysia.
I have been using CC on my pens, stoppers, pepper grinders, etc... for several months now. For me, CC has produced a very shinny and durable finish the same as a CA finish. It works especially well on oily woods like cocobolo. I did my own blind testing with pens finished with CA and pens finished with CC. I have passed these pens around to friends and turners to ask for then to find a difference, and none has been found in the finished product.

CC is a water based product and does not have the adverse side effects skin and eye irritant. It can be applied similarly to how CA is applied on the lathe in layers minus any accelerate or boiled linseed oil (BLO), or it does very well as a dip solution. If you wash your bushings with warm soapy water soon after application, all of the dried CC finish will wash right off.

Here is the website description for CC:
"Craft Coat is a waterborne linseed oil modified wood finish that self-crosslinks when exposed to oxygen to develop an extremely durable film that exhibits outstanding scratch, mar, water, and chemical resistance. It has the depth and gloss of an oil modified urethane (O.M.U.) and is formulated to ensure maximum protection on any type of wood, especially hard-to-coat dense and oily exotic hardwoods. It exhibits excellent adhesion on all types of wood including exotic and naturally oily woods that typically require preparation before coating. Craft Coat does not have a solvent base so it dries very quickly and is sandable in 1-1/2 to 2 hours."

Right now it is available for purchase form his site for $26/qt. That is cheaper than WTF from Woodcraft by a few bucks. It is available in a Gloss, Semi-Gloss, and Satin. It does not matter with one you use for pens, stoppers, and such as the typical wet-sand finish will gloss any of them. If you want to use it for other projects as a clear coat sealant, then you can pick out your desired shine.
The sandable times listed are only for dip times. If applied in layers like a CA finish, the try dry times are very short.

Disclaimer: As to not skew any possible results, I will not be posting any of my pens with this finish at this time.

I am looking for 12 volunteers with good experience at CA finishing to test and review this product. I am specifically targeting people who are good at CA finishing but tired of the fumes from the CA process. The volunteers will be shipped a bottle of the CC product free of charge to finish some pens, stoppers, or other turned projects with it. I am looking for you honest assessment of the product.

I am looking for information the following areas:
· Finish quality
· Odor/fumes during process
· Ease of application
· Time for completion of application of finish
· Method used for application (dip, layered, etc…)
· What did you use the finish on (pens, stoppers, etc...)
· Feel free to add any other information you deem appropriate to the review

I will start a new thread for the review results when the samples have shipped. Please PM me your contact details. If any others have used this product in the past, please post your experiences with it as well.

Thank you,
Michael Hardin
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, this sounds really cool. I'm excited about the different alternatives coming out.

Your claim of ca like shine is interesting. This has been the shortcoming of many of the alternatives in the past, IMO.

There just doesn't seem anything quite as impressive as ca. Although I've been somewhat impressed with pens plus. If durability comes through.

May I ask, with cc, how many coats do you apply on the lathe to get the desired build? The polishing process is then similar to ca? MM and or liquid polish?

Very interesting!
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I would love to give it a try.

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Old 01-22-2014, 09:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
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How does this product work on larger turnings like bowls?

I would be willing to give it a try...and I have a friend (that also works at Woodcraft) that uses WTF almost exclusively on bowls. I bet he would give you a fair review for that use.
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Default cc test

Michael, I would be interested in trying it. I do alot of Ca finish and have been turning for about 5 years. Pens, wine stoppers, and other small projects. Regards, Dave
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:40 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'd be interested. I have developed a reaction to the CA fumes that puts me out of commission for about 3 days (almost like flu symptoms accompanied with a rash) every time I use it so I have pretty much quit turning pens that need a finish. I have some new blanks turned and standing by for a finish so I have been looking for other options.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:46 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm very interested in trying It out myself.
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If you need another tester, I would be interested in doing so. I have to buy very expensive odorless CA because the regular stuff affects me adversely. I have used WTF and Doctor's finishes, with some limited success. I still like the CA shine, but not the fumes.
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:13 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'll give it a go. I've done my time with CA and after perfecting my technique I've actually moved away from it for various reasons. I've been testing various alternatives but still not 100% happy with anything I've tried yet.

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I didn't say so in my first post, but I'd be willing do do some fairly extensive usage of it promptly.
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