Struggling with fines in my wood pores

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brad704

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I've made a dozen or so pens so far and some have been great. Lately though I've been having issues with dust fines staying stuck in the pores, so once I CA the first time, they shine like white beacons and are locked in place.

I've seen this mainly with padauk, blood wood and tonight with purple heart. Is it pore size in general causing issues? Bad process? It's getting pretty frustrating.

My process has been-
Turn until I'm happy
Wet sand with 220-400-600 and wipe with a wet paper towel in between.
2 coats of thin CA
Wet sand with 600
1 coat medium CA
Long dry time
Micro mesh
Turtle wax


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magpens

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I've been there, done that.

Padauk, Bloodwood and Purpleheart are difficult woods and will act the way you describe because of the surface pores.

Bocote and Olive wood are really nice woods to hone your finishing skills on.

Don't wet sand the wood or wipe with a wet towel. You might get away with using alcohol to wipe.

Blow off the dry turned blank with compressed air before applying CA, as Wayne said.

If you don't have a compressor, take the blank in your hands and blow hard on it - all over it - but don't spit !!

I apply at least 6 coats of thin/med CA before sanding. . Do this sanding dry, until all bumps/ridges AND shiny spots are gone.
Apply several coats more of CA. . Sand dry again until shiny spots are all gone. . Up to now the sanding should be done lightly with 240 grit. . Now you can move up the grit scale one "step" at a time until you get to 1200 or 1500 and now you can use moisture ... I lick the sand paper because it's convenient ... LOL ...

It is very important to get rid of those shiny spots ... keep a close eye on your blank while you are sanding.

Also, sand lengthwise with the lathe OFF, turning the chuck/headstock by hand.
 
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brad704

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Thanks guys. I'll definitely try this very soon. I do have a compressor...


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brad704,
Not for exactly your problem but, similar dust problem, I upgraded my cleaning. I've started using my vacuum cleaner, right against the wood, before any CA. And then after each sanding of the finish(CA) I wipe with alcohol.

I'm new and may find better ways in future. I have very small area so don't care to use my compressor.

Regis
 

Bikerdad

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Yah, don't wet sand, or IF you do, wipe the blank down with DENATURED alcohol. Not rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol is actually a water/alcohol solution (50/50 for the cheap stuff, 30/70 for the normal stuff), so it kinda defeats the purpose. AFTER you've wiped it down, let it dry. Really dry. Like, wait an hour to a day, depending on your climate. Then wipe it down again with denatured alcohol.

Proceed with finish application.
 

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I've made a dozen or so pens so far and some have been great. Lately though I've been having issues with dust fines staying stuck in the pores, so once I CA the first time, they shine like white beacons and are locked in place.

I've seen this mainly with padauk, blood wood and tonight with purple heart. Is it pore size in general causing issues? Bad process? It's getting pretty frustrating.

My process has been-
Turn until I'm happy
Wet sand with 220-400-600 and wipe with a wet paper towel in between.
2 coats of thin CA
Wet sand with 600
1 coat medium CA
Long dry time
Micro mesh
Turtle wax


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Hello Brad

I read your complaint and your method. There are a few things wrong with your method. But with that said I am not sure of what type finish you are after. I ask this because you do not use nearly enough coats of CA if you are going after a high polished look.

Lets start with the blank and turning. The ideal thing is to learn to use the skew and eliminate the sanding after the blank is turned down. I realize this is tough to do so many revert to sanding the heck out of a blank and I am never quite sure why that is. If you can not get an even surface with a turning tool there needs to be practice there. If you are relying on sanding to get to final dimensions then again practice turning needs to be done.

Alright sanding is subjective. I am going to give you my opinions. There is no need to go over 400 grit when sanding wood. Nothing is happening after that if you are applying a film finish such as CA on it. Different story if you are waxing or leaving wood natural. Then 600 grit is better and maybe even take to 1200.

When done sanding any grit do not wipe with any liquids. wipe with a lint free cloth and proceed to next grit. When satisfied with all sanding you need to do one of 2 things. Vac the blank off (less messy) or blow the blank off will stir dust in the air. Do this well and sometimes a small brush will help dislodge dust. Tack cloths are good for woods such as oak but will not help woods like purpleheart or woods with smaller pores. You can wipe down with denatured alcohol and clean cloth. let dry and do not sand again till final coat of CA.

Applying CA use whatever is your method, but use 2 to 3 coats of thin to seal the wood. Let dry between coats. Then 5 to 6 coats of med CA. Now sand with some 600 grit paper and see if there are any ridges or shiny spots. If so you may need to drop down to 400 till you get things evened out and no shiny spots showing. Now wipe down again with Denatured alcohol and you are ready for the MM. The final step is a wax of your choice. Hope some of this helps.
 

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Looking for a decent "small brush" to use?

Try an old toothbrush!

You can run it along the blanks while the lathe is running, and you can also turn the lathe off and rotate the blanks by hand while you run the brush across the blanks side to side (lengthwise). This may help clean out those wood pores.


If you have access to compressed air, this does help a good bit to! If you don't, then concentrating your breath may help more than just huffing and puffing at it. Blow the dust away by using a straw, so you can direct the pressure right where you need it! :)


Water can raise the wood grain. When sanding flat surfaces like table tops or cabinetry work, wiping with a wet cloth will cause the grain to rise. One part of the grain will not absorb as much water and will remain lower. When you sand it flat again while in this condition, the raised grain will then drop down below the harder grain, giving you a beautiful surface that is a good bit more durable than the overall piece of wood. The problem with this in penmaking is that you don't want a bumpy surface like that - unless it was intentional that the customer feel the wood grain!

Wiping the blank with 95% isopropyl alcohol doesn't do this nearly as bad ... it DOES have 5% water in it, so you don't want to soak your blank in it. Denatured Alcohol (DNA) has about the same water content. The alcohol can help carry dust and debris away from your blanks, and then evaporates quickly.

Acetone doesn't absorb water, from what I hear around here, so it's a better choice for cleanup.




The following is how I finish my blanks ... I like the way I do it. You can try it if you want, perhaps you'll like it to.

*Sanding*

Turn to the shape I want ...
Sand with 180 grit Abranet to final dimensions. (Mirka Abranet is a nice fabric mesh sanding pad to use ... I get 10 - 12 pens out of half a single piece.)
Wipe with dry bit of paper towel to remove any excess dust and grit.
Continue sanding with Abranet all the way up to 400 grit (I'ld go higher, but the multipacks offered by PSI only go up to 400 grit.)
Wipe off or brush off with paper towel to remove excess dust and grit.

Sand with 1000 grit wet-or-dry sandpaper. (I get mine at Harbor Freight ... if I had 1000 grit Abranet I'ld use that for sure.)
Wipe with paper towel with a bit of 95% rubbing alcohol.

Turn lathe off to check the blank ... examine for pores and if they contain anything they shouldn't ... if they do, then brushing with my old toothbrush and a blast of compressed air or two is indicated.

*Finishing*

Using blue shop towels (from the auto parts store), I fold it 3 times lengthwise to form a long strip, and cut it in 3/4" lengths with a pair of scissors to form my applicator pads. Shop towels work like paper towels, but they have far less lint and are softer, so they leave a bit better finish behind when used over paper towels.

When wet sanding, I use normal cheap paper towels for wiping the blank dry...

I start the finishing process by applying a few drops of Minwax Stain'n'Seal (natural amber color) to an applicator pad (blue shop pad, I'll just call it a pad from now on) and apply it to the spinning barrel blanks. You can take the lathe speed up a bit here and really polish it in, but I don't do this for more than 3 to 5 seconds ...

Next, I grab my little tube of Harbor Freight brand superglue (CA) and apply a few drops to the same pad I just used - it's still wet! and I turn the lathe speed down to the SLOWEST SPEED it can go. (YOU DO NOT WANT CA FLUNG ALL OVER YOU, YOUR LATHE, OR YOUR SHOP!) With the lathe at slowest speed, apply the CA in a single smooth motion over your barrels. You can go left or right, I prefer to go quickly right-left-right over the span of 3 seconds. You'll speed up as you get more practice at it.

The first coat of CA is dry to the touch within 10 seconds, but I like to leave it a bit longer .... I apply the next coat of CA about 20 seconds after the first, but I use a fresh pad for this coat as well as every coat following. I like to wait about 5 minutes or so between coats (sit down, watch anime, ect), and put 6 - 12 coats on a nice pen.

I turn off the lathe to examine the finish ... should be no white from the superglue, no little specks of blue shop towel hanging about ...

I use wet sanding from this point on ...

Using 1000 grit wet-or-dry paper, I dip the paper in a small bowl of water (I also protect my lathe bed from water!), and I begin sanding with the lathe at around 1000 RPM. I sand till the surface is uniformly smooth, dipping the paper back into the water to remove slurry and get fresh water when needed. I also turn the lathe off to sand laterally along the barrels, to break radial lines.

(VERY IMPORTANT STEP HERE I ALMOST FORGOT TO INCLUDE!! Take an exacto-knife or other small sharp blade and very carefully, right at the edges of the blanks and bushings, score through the CA. This will help you remove the blank from the mandrel later without ruining your finish!)

I then continue wet-sanding with micro-mesh sanding pads - Hobby Lobby has a decent set for around 15 dollars. You get 3200, 3600, 4000, 6000, 8000, and 12,000 grit pads, about 2" by 2", and they are double sided. The 3200 grit does a lot of grunt-work, since I jumped up from 1000 grit, but 2000 grit paper is harder for me to come by or I'ld use it.

I dry the blank off with paper towels between each grit, to clear away the slurry and any remaining grit. I also sand laterally at least every other grit, to remove radial lines.

After I've finally reached 12,000 grit, it's time to polish the barrels!

I use Meguair's Plast-X. This is a plastic polishing compound that you can buy at an auto parts store. The nice thing about this is that it has a grit that breaks down while it's working, reaching 30,000 grit by the time it's done. This is what gives a beautiful glassy shine to my finish. I apply this at low speed, so that it doesn't just get flung off the barrels, but then I push the lathe to max speed and really buff it in for a good minute or two.

I leave the lathe running at high speed and apply Turtle Wax Hard Surface (liquid). I rub and buff this in for around a minute as well. This helps protect the CA underneath, and also helps repel water and fingerprints.




Good luck with your endeavors, hope you find a finish that satisfies you soon!
 
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