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Old 05-05-2015, 12:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Argentium sterling silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You have just been under the wrong impression. Sterling Silver plate has been used for years in many applications.
So silver plating solutions have copper (or some other metal) in them? "Sterling plate" may be Sheffield plating and not the typical electroplating we use today?
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That doesn't look like plate, but silver/germanium alloy solid material.
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I wonder why solid silver components are so expensive. Silver is cheap right now.
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I wonder why solid silver components are so expensive. Silver is cheap right now.
A baron's metal components weight is 0.65oz. A full Jr George bag, including the bag, refill cartridge, brass tubes, etc is 1.65 oz. Spot silver price today is $16.37.

Melt value on a solid silver pen kit would be a whopping $10.64. I think you are paying more for sentimental value than actual material cost. Perhaps because it's 'high end' you are paying a nosebleed premium? :)
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As the solid sterling component sets that are now available are made in limited numbers, your not only paying for the silver but the artists design time melting and pouring time, his cleaning up threading time, his the lost wax castings, your looking at hours not seconds of manufacturing time.
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I wonder why solid silver components are so expensive. Silver is cheap right now.
A baron's metal components weight is 0.65oz. A full Jr George bag, including the bag, refill cartridge, brass tubes, etc is 1.65 oz. Spot silver price today is $16.37.

Melt value on a solid silver pen kit would be a whopping $10.64. I think you are paying more for sentimental value than actual material cost. Perhaps because it's 'high end' you are paying a nosebleed premium? :)
The Argentium Sterling that you mention is a propritary alloy. It is marketed in alloys that are either .935 or .960 percent silver making it purer than Sterling. It is highly resistant to tarnish, but not totally immune according to the maker. I doubt that anyone making Silver plated pen parts or Sterling Silver plated pen parts is using it.

Traditional Sterling Silver items have an very high cost because it has problems in workability - making items out of Sterling requires some labor intensive steps.
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Silver plate comes out of the process shiny and ready for use. Cast silver from lost wax process looks like this out of the mold.

While getting a piece to this stage is probably less than $10 including labor to cast the hard work to clean it up can take a while. Sprues need to be filed smooth and considerably polishing needs to take place. Most of the cost for solid sterling is labor. not material

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A baron's metal components weight is 0.65oz. A full Jr George bag, including the bag, refill cartridge, brass tubes, etc is 1.65 oz. Spot silver price today is $16.37.

Melt value on a solid silver pen kit would be a whopping $10.64. I think you are paying more for sentimental value than actual material cost. Perhaps because it's 'high end' you are paying a nosebleed premium? :)
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While getting a piece to this stage is probably less than $10 including labor to cast the hard work to clean it up can take a while. Sprues need to be filed smooth and considerably polishing needs to take place. Most of the cost for solid sterling is labor. not material
So perhaps making something on the wood lathe out of a sterling rod of some form would be the better choice than the casting route?
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No statement from them though regarding wear characteristics.

Plating wear is dictated by a number of factors, including plating thickness and what material it is plated over. Many platings require a layer of another plating material over the base metal to ensure proper adhesion and durability. I'm not familiar with sterling silver though.

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