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bluesky

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I was wondering which is the smallest diameter roller ball kit. I much prefer a rollerball pen but the heft on most is too much for a comfortable pocket fit all day.

Also, Is there much difference in size between the Jr size and regular size on most kits (ie: Jr Gent vs. reg Gent) I see the specs and the size don't seem that much different. I have not made any JR size kits only reg size Gents, Statesmen and Emperor.

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10mm from CSUSA. I have made some and really like them. Very good kits.
http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cgi-bin/shopper?preadd=action&key=050-4415

There is a big diffrenc in the size of a gent and a jr. gent. I have made both and pefere the Jr's.
 

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the americana is also about the same size. I really like this kit though I know alot of people here do not like snap caps. http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cgi-bin/shopper?search=action&keywords=americana-rollerball .
There is a very big difference between the Jr Gent and the full sized version. I would say the Jr Gent is a little bigger around than the 2 pens that have been listed but much smaller than the gent. Berea also has similar sized rollerballs pens (anything that takes the 2b bushings)
 

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The Slimline Pro kits are also rollerballs - they are much smaller than the rest of the rollerball kits. But they don't have caps, they're click-pens.

cheers Eileen
 

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The CSUSA catalog has the dimentions of each pen, its a great help. Are Parker and Roller ball the same? I didn't think so. If I am not mistaken, the Slimline Pro uses a Parker cart.
 

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I've been substituting a parker-style gel cartridge in all the kits utilizing the parker-style cartridge. The writing smoothness and feel is similar to the rollerball. This is the quickest, easiest option.

Woodcraft's American Classic Screwcap roller ball is the smallest diameter kit I've used. If I remember correctly, that's a 3/8 tube. I've also 'rolled' my own using 7mm tubes.
 

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Parker and Rollerball are not the same. Parker is either a ball point, or similiar. They make one that uses Gel, but I don't know what Gel is, or how it differs from other ink.

The difference between rollerball and ballpoint, is, and I'm not sure of this. I have tried to find out, but haven't, yet. But anyway, the difference is the rollerball has to be capped or it will dry out.

If you notice on the Parker and Cross style, the writing tip, even in it's retracted position is left open to the atmosphere.

Again, I don't know if the above information is 100% correct, or even if any part of it is correct, other than the ball point is not closed in.

If anyone has more knowledge on this subject, I would like to read about it.

Bonefish
 

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I came across this some time ago. I don't remember who worte or where I found it. It may be of some help.

Pen Types - Ballpoint, Fountain, Gel, Rollerball


I figured we could do with a page explaining the different types of pens there are, and I figured it should be easy enough to write. It was only when I came to start that I realized I actually didn’t know what the difference is between most types, so I had a bit of research to do. Fountain pens and ballpoint pens are reasonably obvious, but what actually makes a rollerball different from a ballpoint? And what’s actually different about gel ink?
A bit of reading around (mainly on Wikipedia) answered my questions, so here goes…

Dip Pens
The most basic type of pen, a dip pen is usually just a nib in a simple holder. Not much more sophisticated than a quill, and not much easier to use.
The nib is usually a thin piece of metal with a slit cut into it that the ink runs down. A cut out section at the top of the slit can hold a drop of ink in place, to give you a bit of marking time between dips.

Ink
Can use almost anything, but the main reason to use a dipping pen is that you can use pigment inks which can’t be used in fountain pens. Pigment inks are commonly waterproof and opaque.

Usage
You need to keep an open pot of ink, and keep dipping the nib into the ink. Tap or blot away any excess, then use the pen.

Why Use?
If they’re so much work, and so much harder to use, why would anyone bother? Not many people write with dip pens any more, but they’re still reasonably popular with artists and cartoonists. A fountain pen can’t be used with India ink, and most fountain pen ink isn’t as black as good dipping pen ink can be.
Dip pens are also cheaper than fountain pens, and changing nibs is fairly easy, so artists can keep a number of nibs and holders handy, and switch quickly to what they need.
It’s also much quicker and easier to change ink colours with a dip pen - you don’t need to empty the pen and clean it out first.

Fountain Pens
The fountain pen builds some extra convenience on top of a dip pen, at the expense of some flexibility and cost.
The nib is fed through a tube from an ink reserve held in the pen. In some pens, this is just the body of the pen, filled with an eyedropper. In most modern fountain pens, this is either a plastic cartrige, or a converter that allows you to fill the pen by dipping the nib in ink and pulling a lever (or similar - there’s lots of variations).

Ink
The ink in a fountain pen is water based, with dye rather than pigment. That means it’s relatively slow to dry (compared with alcohol-based inks), and it’s transparent, so you won’t get quite such a solid black.
Pigment inks can block up a fountain pen. It might work, but the pen might gum up after a while, so don’t risk it with an expensive pen.

Usage
Although more convenient than a dip pen, fountain pens are generally seen as fairly old-fashioned these days, and certainly don’t have the ease of use of a ballpoint pen. They have to be held with the nib the right way round, and the nib requires reasonably careful handling.

Why Use?
For most people, ballpoints have pretty much replaced fountain pens, but they still have a following. There’s something a bit more ‘classy’ about a fountain pen, certainly.
One real advantage is that no pressure is required to make the ink flow - as long as the nib touches the paper the ink will flow. This can reduce hand strain when using the pen for a lot of drawing or writing. If you’re trying to hand-write a book, and fountain pen may be easier on your hand than a ballpoint.
Softer nibs are available for some pens, allowing more variation in line - pressing on a little harder will cause the split in the nib to open up, writing a broader stroke.

Variations
· Rotring’s Isograph pens are modern versions of an early type of fountain pen - a thin tube is used instead of a nib. This style of nib is only really seen in technical pens now.
·Parallel Pens are a novel take on the fountain pen - two plates are held very close together, and the ink flows between the two, rather than through a split in a single plate. A very wide nib can be made, and can flow ink quickly to the full width. See our review of Pilot Parallel Pens.

Ballpoint Pens
A ballpoint pen uses a thicker ink, with a ball in the tip of the ink reservoir. When the ball is pushed against the paper and dragged along the surface, it gets turned, and pulls ink out of the pen.

Ink
Ballpoint ink is a thick (viscous) alcohol-based ink, using dye for colouring. The ink doesn’t seep into the paper, so can be used on fairly thin sheets, and won’t ‘feather’ through the surface.
Most modern ballpoint ink actually becomes thinner when under pressure, so as the ball is pushed in by pressure on the page, the ink becomes more liquid, flowing more easily. As soon as the ink is deposited on the page, it becomes thicker, and dries quickly, making it less prone to smudging.

Usage
A ballpoint needs to be used at a fairly steep angle - held more upright than a fountain pen - and needs a fair amount of pressure to be maintained against the page to keep the ink flowing.

Why Use?
By far the biggest reason for using ballpoint pens is convenience - they’re commonly available just about anywhere, they’re cheap, and they’re very easy to use. They’re fairly resilliant, so you’re unlikely to break one by being heavy-handed, and if you do - so what? Chuck it in the bin and buy another.
Almost any style or price you could want in a pen will be covered by several manufacturers. If you want a ballpoint to cost you £35, and to have green ink, you would have plenty to choose from. If you want it with black ink, a green body, and to cost you under £1, you’d still have plenty to choose from.

Variations
·Space Pen - uses a pressurised refill, so it can write in zero gravity. Or, more practically, can write when held upside down - very useful if you write on paper stuck to a wall or notice board, and maybe if you tend to make notes whilst lying down. The Uni-ball Power Tank is another pressurised pen, but disposable and much cheaper.
However, the main variations are rollerballs and gel pens, and we’ll come to those…
…any time…
…now…

Rollerball Pens
A ballpoint pen has a rolling ball at the end of a tube of ink. So does a rollerball pen. So what’s the difference? The ink.

Ink
A ballpoint uses thick ink, made from an alcohol-based paste. A rollerball uses liquid ink, which is water-based.

Usage
The liquid ink helps a rollerball to move more smoothly than a ballpoint. The ink flows quickly and easily, and rarely skips. Because it’s water-based, it also takes longer to dry, so can be more prone to smudging.
Another problem is that the liquid ink will tend to soak through the paper more than ballpoint or gel ink, which can give you a ‘feathering’ effect, and soak through to the other side of thin paper. The thin paper in Moleskine notebooks, for example, can be a problem for some pens. (Good pens to use with a Moleskine is a whole article in itself, though - I’ll work on that sometime soon.)

Why Use?
A rollerball could be seen as being part way between a ballpoint and a fountain pen. The slowness of drying makes them a bit less convenient than a ballpoint, but they need less pressure to write with, and tend to feel fast and smooth.
Personally, I tend to wipe over what I’ve just written with my knuckles as I write the next line, so something that dries slowly is a real problem - if you don’t have that problem, you might find a rollerball a good compromise.

Gel Pens
Only relatively recently introduced, gel pens are hugely popular. Many of the most popular disposable ballpoints are gel ink pens, and more and more refillable pens are becoming available as gel pens - like my favourite Cross Ion.

Ink
The key is the ink. It’s a pigment ink, in a water-based gel carrier. Because it uses pigment instead of dye, it’s opaque. This means you can use a light-coloured gel pen on black paper, and black gel ink can be really black.
Personally, I like black ink to be very black, so gel pens suit me well. The only problem is that the water-based ink is usually fairly slow to dry, so smudging can be a problem.

Usage
Gel pens tend to write quite smoothly, and don’t require much pressure, but the ink doesn’t flow as easily as liquid ink, so can skip. The problem varies with different pens and inks, but as you release the pressure on the page, most gel pens will skip a little - the line won’t fade - you’ll just get patches of nothing. This can make them less suitable for drawing, as you can have great trouble getting any subtle shades. If you want sold colour only, though, they can be ideal.

Variations
Gel pens are available with all kinds of strange inks, including metallic finish, and even inks containing glitter.
 

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Originally posted by emackrell
<br />The Slimline Pro kits are also rollerballs - they are much smaller than the rest of the rollerball kits. But they don't have caps, they're click-pens.

According to the information I have seen, the SL-Pro has a Parker Gel refill and not what is generally accepted as being a Rollerball refill.
 

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Randy, just went and chacked and you're right -- they're gel, not rollerballs. My mistake.

They do however write pretty much like a rollerball (as opposed to ballpoints).

Cheers Eileen
 

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Eileen,

Since the inception of the Parker gel, I have sold VERY FEW rollerballs. Before the gel, I sold hundreds of rollerballs.

You are correct, put the gel in a "rollerball user's" hand, then tell them they can "turn" it in and out of the pen, no cap!!! You have SOLD a gel 90% of the time-the other 10% will stubbornly insist on a rollerball (OH, I happen to SELL those too!!!!!!!!!)

The gel refill is the best thing that has happened to my pen sales.
 
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