Sierra - Manhatten

[MrKugelschreiber]

I went into a Rockler woodworking store today and they offer a Manhatten style pen. This "appears" to be the same as the Sierra. Does anyone know if the bushings and so on are the same? Thanks

 

[Edgar]

Yes, tube & bushings are the same.

Rockler used to sell the Berea Sierra under that name, but changed to the Manhattan a few years ago. I don't know if it is still the Sierra with a different name or if they changed the name because they are sourcing it from a different supplier, but the specs are the same.

 

[MrKugelschreiber]

Thanks a bunch!

 

[thewishman]

Yes, tube & bushings are the same.

Rockler used to sell the Berea Sierra under that name, but changed to the Manhattan a few years ago. I don't know if it is still the Sierra with a different name or if they changed the name because they are sourcing it from a different supplier, but the specs are the same.

They sourced it out of China, directly.

 

[thewishman]

I understand that some of their China-sourced kits are not the highest quality.

 

[MrKugelschreiber]

Since we are speaking of duplications, is Woodcraft's Wall Street II the same as well?

 

[Edgar]

Yes, and the Wall Street III is equivalent to the Sierra Vista.

 

[MrKugelschreiber]

Thank you all!

 

[qquake]

Yes, and the Wall Street III is equivalent to the Sierra Vista.

I recently turned a Wallstreet III, and the Woodcraft instructions say that the bushings are the same diameter. But the Berea instructions for the Sierra Vista say that the bushings are different diameters. I just measured my WS III bushings, and one is .525", the other is .524".

http://www2.woodcraft.com/PDF/77C67 WallStreet III Pen Kit Instructions.pdf

http://www.bereahardwoods.com/pdf/SierraVistaPen.pdf

 

[Brian G]

Rockler's Manhattan is not a re-named Berea Sierra. The pattern on the decorative band is different, too.

The Manhattan is an okay component set, but I've found the transmission to be overly stiff and the fit of the barrel to be a little loose in the half dozen sets I used. I remain underwhelmed.

Even when Manhattans are on sale, as they are now, I prefer to spend a few dollars more on Berea or Dayacom sourced versions from our IAP vendors.

They may be "unloading" them because they recently switched to being a PSI re-seller, and Gatsbys have been added to their lineup.

 

[Edgar]

Yes, and the Wall Street III is equivalent to the Sierra Vista.

I recently turned a Wallstreet III, and the Woodcraft instructions say that the bushings are the same diameter. But the Berea instructions for the Sierra Vista say that the bushings are different diameters. I just measured my WS III bushings, and one is .525", the other is .524".

http://www2.woodcraft.com/PDF/77C67 WallStreet III Pen Kit Instructions.pdf

http://www.bereahardwoods.com/pdf/SierraVistaPen.pdf

Thanks for pointing this out, Jim.
Looks like we need to correct that info in the bushing & tubes charts and app.

Edgar

 

[JimB]

Yes, and the Wall Street III is equivalent to the Sierra Vista.

I recently turned a Wallstreet III, and the Woodcraft instructions say that the bushings are the same diameter. But the Berea instructions for the Sierra Vista say that the bushings are different diameters. I just measured my WS III bushings, and one is .525", the other is .524".

http://www2.woodcraft.com/PDF/77C67 WallStreet III Pen Kit Instructions.pdf

http://www.bereahardwoods.com/pdf/SierraVistaPen.pdf

Thanks for pointing this out, Jim.
Looks like we need to correct that info in the bushing & tubes charts and app.

Edgar

Isn't that probably within the manufacturing tolerances or the result of sanding or touching with a tool?

 

[Edgar]

Yes, and the Wall Street III is equivalent to the Sierra Vista.

I recently turned a Wallstreet III, and the Woodcraft instructions say that the bushings are the same diameter. But the Berea instructions for the Sierra Vista say that the bushings are different diameters. I just measured my WS III bushings, and one is .525", the other is .524".

http://www2.woodcraft.com/PDF/77C67 WallStreet III Pen Kit Instructions.pdf

http://www.bereahardwoods.com/pdf/SierraVistaPen.pdf

Thanks for pointing this out, Jim.
Looks like we need to correct that info in the bushing & tubes charts and app.

Edgar

Isn't that probably within the manufacturing tolerances or the result of sanding or touching with a tool?

I think the real issue is that the Sierra Vista uses 2 different sized bushings - .551 & .523 while the WSIII uses two identical bushings, .524 & .524 -- we have the WSIII listed the same as the SV in the charts & app, which is apparently incorrect.

 

[qquake]

I think the real issue is that the Sierra Vista uses 2 different sized bushings - .551 & .523 while the WSIII uses two identical bushings, .524 & .524 -- we have the WSIII listed the same as the SV in the charts & app, which is apparently incorrect.

Which is odd, since I always thought Woodcraft got their pen kits from Berea, but changed the names.