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I'm looking at these to specifically dedicate to pen turning only. The prepackaged set has most of the bits needed, and I would only have to buy 3 or 4 extra for the kits I plan on keeping in inventory.

Are they decent? Or should I just bite the bullet and get the Norseman bits from AS?
 
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I am not familiar with a Penturner's set, so I cannot comment on it. The Norseman bits are very good. However, the 115 piece set from HF and a drill doctor will handle 99% of your needs and provide excellent results.
 

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Don't know which set you are referring to, but a while back, Daniel did a buy that included all the bit you need for pen turning. You might PM him and see if he has any sets left.
 

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I'm looking at these to specifically dedicate to pen turning only. The prepackaged set has most of the bits needed, and I would only have to buy 3 or 4 extra for the kits I plan on keeping in inventory.

Are they decent? Or should I just bite the bullet and get the Norseman bits from AS?
Well I use just 7mm, 10mm, 11mm, 3/8th in "pen turner's" bits and the rest from my regular drill bits which is a decent set of titanium bits.
 

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The bits I got where basically the same thing you get in the HF 115pc Titanium twist drill set as far as quality. depending on just what pens you eventually make this set will cover most of your needs if you do a little homework you will find that there is even a bit in that set that replaces the 7mm, and 10mm bits. If you are going to make a large selection of kits you can end up having to buy as many as 20 or so additional bits. it all depends on how much you are willing to get "close" rather than use the exact bit specified for a kit. The sets i got for the group was a one time deal. basically I got a company in china to bend all their rules on min orders. I no longer have any of them and do not expect to be able to pull the same trick off again. otherwise it would require buying 500 sets as a min order. Roughly that is a $45,000 purchase.
 

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Thanks guys, but I wasn't looking for alternative suggestions, just wondering about the quality as asked originally. The set I was referring to is described and linked below.

Pen Maker's Bit Set contains the bits required to make the most popular kits. Contains one each 7mm, 10mm, 11mm, 27/64", 3/8", and letter "O" bits.


http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2020575/24312/WoodRiver-Pen-Maker-s-Bit-Set.aspx

That covers most of the pens I will be turning, plus add in the 25/64" pen maker's bit for the baron/sedona upper. I'm also buying the specials on the PSI Majestic (37/64" & 15/32" also covers Baron/Sedona lower) and Majestic Jrs (10.5 and .492), so that will cover those kits plust the gents and gent jrs.

I think that's the exact assortment I would want for exclusively pen turning bits that won't be dedicated to anything else. Just not sure about the quality of the WoodRiver bits is all.
 
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Justin,
I don't have the set you're talking about, but have same sizes that I've bought over the years.... I have about every bit I'll need for pen turning... they are dedicated only to pen turning... any other drilling I have another set of bits for that.... Woodcraft seems to sell quality tools... I have bought most of my drill bits lately from the local store in Knoxville... so my opinion (If it's worth anything) would be that you would be good to go... I know I buy Forstners at Woodcraft for my pepper mills... they a good bits.... I do have to replace occasionally because they will loose their edge and I can only re-sharpen three or four times.
 

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Justin,
I don't have the set you're talking about, but have same sizes that I've bought over the years.... I have about every bit I'll need for pen turning... they are dedicated only to pen turning... any other drilling I have another set of bits for that.... Woodcraft seems to sell quality tools... I have bought most of my drill bits lately from the local store in Knoxville... so my opinion (If it's worth anything) would be that you would be good to go... I know I buy Forstners at Woodcraft for my pepper mills... they a good bits.... I do have to replace occasionally because they will loose their edge and I can only re-sharpen three or four times.

Thanks Chuck! That's the direct experience I'm looking for. I didn't think I'd have a problem with them, but you can never be too sure.
 

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Justin, With the link I now know exactly what you are looking at.
That is a bright brad point jobber length twist bit. nothing really special about it except the brad point. I have and use brad points but have found them to be a poor choice in some situations. they tend to be more prone to tear out when exiting although this can be fixed the same way you would for any bit. use a backer block. In truth you should already be in the habit of doing that. or drill blank then cut so you don't have a bit exiting in the first place. One of the biggest concerns with a drill bit for drilling blanks is how well they will hold up to heat. this is because we are drilling extremely deep holes. Also how well they remain sharp is a concern. don't expect these bits to be exceptional in either regard and probably actually weak on the heat issue. I have simply noticed I like the preformance of black or Titanium bits better. I can kill a bright in a heartbeat.
 

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Haven't tried those bits. I got the Colt Pen maker's drill set from woodcraft, These are great but a lot pricier. They are fast with acrylics, I learned of them from Renaisance woodworker (http://www.blip.tv/file/2656776 starts at 5:30)

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080206/28253/Colt-5-Star-Pen-Maker-s-Bit-Set-5pc.aspx

here is a review on the forums by Rojo22
http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51255

and here is a video of them in action(bottom of the page)
http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/s...Tools___Colt_5_Star_Pen_Drill___colt_pen_bits
 

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Haven't tried those bits. I got the Colt Pen maker's drill set from woodcraft, These are great but a lot pricier. They are fast with acrylics, I learned of them from Renaisance woodworker (http://www.blip.tv/file/2656776 starts at 5:30)

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080206/28253/Colt-5-Star-Pen-Maker-s-Bit-Set-5pc.aspx

here is a review on the forums by Rojo22
http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51255

and here is a video of them in action(bottom of the page)
http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/s...Tools___Colt_5_Star_Pen_Drill___colt_pen_bits

Dang those are expensive. I bet they work good though!
 

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Dang those are expensive. I bet they work good though!

Yes, they cost more than other bits. However, you can drill a long click with one (or any other long bodied blank) and they cut very fast and clean out well. I have individual bits, not the set, as I'm buying mine as I need them. That allows me to spread the cost out, and I keep them in the plastic tubes that they came in, so that they don't get dinged up.

Now, let's look at a couple of scenarios about the cost of these bits. Let's say that you've decided to make the one-piece slimline http://content.penturners.org/articles/2009/one_piece_slimline_pen.pdf, and it's going to be the slimline that you sell, and that you're going to charge $20.00 for it. It takes a 7mm bit and those cost $10.00.

Scenario 1: You buy the bit for $10.00. Then you make one pen and sell it for $20.00 and basically burn the profit from that pen (and some of your labor cost) to pay for the bit. Then after that, the bit is paid for, and you don't think about the cost of the bit anymore.

Scenario 2: You prorate the cost over the life of the bit. You buy this bit for $10.00, and then you make 100 pens with it before you get it too hot, or drop it, or lose it or it gets borrowed or whatever. That equates to 10 cents per pen for bit cost. Now the bit doesn't seem to cost so much, does it? Now let's say that you allow double that cost for the bit (20 cents). After the 100 pens, you've paid for your original bit AND you've set aside the money to buy a replacement bit. It works for me :biggrin:.
 
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