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Old 03-14-2019, 11:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Kit sets that have both a pen and a pencil?

My girls want to give their grandfather a pen and pencil for his birthday next month. I've been looking for a set (that has both a pen and a pencil) but options are quite limited. Aside from the slim type pens, which I'm less interested in, it seems like the only kits with both are: Vertex, Stratus, Power, Spartan, and Deluxe Sketch. Executive makes a pencil, but only in gold. I'm a little more partial (and think my father-in-law will be more partial) to a style more like the Gatsby - a little thicker, clean lines, and with plenty of blank showing. Stratus seems the closest I can find, but I'm not too crazy about the metal near the tip.

Any suggestions? To date, I've ordered my kits from PSI, but I've also been looking at other places like Berea, etc. They all seem to carry the same as the other guy though.

As another question - I'm assuming that most people just want pens so that's where the market is. Do people these days not want a pen and pencil set?

Hope this is the right forum to post this question in. Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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There is a Parker refill replacement that converts a pen to a pencil. That would open up many possibilities I would think. Iíve no experience with it however. Maybe others have.


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If you want to stick with PSI, then I think, from what you have said, that your best bet is the Vertex Click design for the pen and then this conversion kit for a separate pencil: https://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKFP4030PC.html

However, I think you should consider other sources as well ... you may find them more to your liking ... totally different family of kits.

You should consider the Schmidt Pencil Mechanism.

This will convert several twist pen kits to a pencil.

Appropriate kits are Perfect Fit, Cigar, El Grande, and perhaps some others.

Best source is Beartoothwoods.com

I recommend this as the best source of information as well. . Give Ernie a phone call. . He is the most helpful guy.
I have no hesitation in recommending this as your best option, both for the information you need, and for the kits you require.
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Beaufort Ink Mistral is one to consider. Beaufort Mistral high end pen kits.
Turners Warehouse carry them too.

Disclaimer. Both companies sell Marla’s blanks. That doesn’t take away from the kits though. ;)
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You say your looking for a Gatsby style, Penn State has a pencil conversion kit for Gatsby. Itís on page 82 if the latest catalog.


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The Sierra / Elegant Sierra can be modified for a pencil. Google "Sierra Pencil Conversion" and download the PDF file from Arizona Silhouette.
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I'll double down on recommending the mistral from Beaufort. I made a set of them and they are high quality and showcase the blanks. You can order them from turners warehouse or if you are ordering a decent amount of them going directly through Beaufort is a touch cheaper even with shipping.
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Thank you so much! I wasn't aware of some of these suppliers, so really appreciate the tips! Looking them over this morning, I think the Sierra, Cigar, and Mistral kits are strong contenders.

This might be a dumb question, but when you see multiple suppliers carry the same pen kit (let's say Sierra), is that pen kit identical (i.e., made by the same company)? Or is just that style of pen the same, but you might have different quality components? Reason I'm asking is that I don't see myself selling pens, but just turning them as a hobby and gifting them to people. So, I don't mind spending a little more money on higher quality kits.

Another dumb question - I saw on Bear Tooth that they carry bright and black nickel tubes. I assume if I'm using a wood blank that switching up from the standard brass is not necessary? I've only turned acrylic thus far, and had a bit of problem on some translucent blanks where a white enamel or possibly a nickel might be preferable, but was wondering why someone would try out the nickel. Is it only for acrylic blanks, and where you want to change the color effect of the blank?
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You say your looking for a Gatsby style, Penn State has a pencil conversion kit for Gatsby. Itís on page 82 if the latest catalog.


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Thanks for the tip - I didn't have a copy of the catalog handy so used the chat app and the rep said they don't carry a pencil conversion kit for the Gatsby.
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Another dumb question - I saw on Bear Tooth that they carry bright and black nickel tubes. I assume if I'm using a wood blank that switching up from the standard brass is not necessary? I've only turned acrylic thus far, and had a bit of problem on some translucent blanks where a white enamel or possibly a nickel might be preferable, but was wondering why someone would try out the nickel. Is it only for acrylic blanks, and where you want to change the color effect of the blank?
Actually a pretty smart question. Typically, folks think about "back painting" or using colored tubes for acrylic/alumilite/etc since they can have some transparency--but rarely for wood. If i'm turning burls or wormy woods, i paint my tubes as well--as at times small voids may present themselves near the end of a turn. Usually use tan or dark brown--depending on the wood color--and at times will still end up adding a filler. i'm not a fan of bright brass spots showing through a darker burl.
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