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Old 04-01-2018, 11:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Schmidt also makes a Cross-style refill, the C 600 M, under the Private Reserve brand. Excellent refill.

I have asked Schmidt no less than five times--they make NO Cross-style refills!
Do not know what to make of this then. Is there a company using the Schmidt Name??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Ink-Sc...-/181823538139


Schmidt C600 Cross Style Ballpoint Refill, Schmidt C600 Ballpoint Refill – Lanier Pens

Black Ink Schmidt German Ball Pen Refill C 600 M Cross Style Two Pieces [1Mcdc0710572] - $28.99


I see Mal was searching as well as I. Not sure what to make of this then. Have to send our reporters out to investigate.
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Many fountain pen kits originating in Asia contain nibs marked 'Iridium Point - Germany' (of IPG) even though they aren't made in Germany and iridium is no longer actually used as tipping material (today, tipping metal is most often either plathenium or osmiridium, so some combination of those which is harder and less expensive than pure iridium). As Brian Gray notes on his web page, when a nib is marked "IPG', the most that one can infer is that the material from which it was made might have been purchased from a supplier in Germany.

I wonder if there is a similar issue with Cross-style ballpoint refills.

The e-Bay ad includes a purchaser review that states that these refills are actually made in Taiwan and that they are pretty crappy. I'm not a big-time pen-maker, but I have looked at a few that I have made and the 'Cross-style' refills aren't marked in any way.
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At one time there was a picture of a refill on one of the above sites,

The refill said SCHIMDT note IMDT, not MIDT

I sent this pic to Schmidt, I have no idea what happened.

I would LOVE to handle a Cross style refill truly made by Schmidt. We place sizeable orders with them regularly. Every time I have asked about a cross-style they have replied that they do NOT make one!

Try emailing Schmidt directly--if you get a different answer, please send me the email, so I know who to talk with to get the refill!!

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Just curious. Is a genuine Cross refill any better than the generic ones supplied in kits?
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I have sent an email and the link to our Schmidt contact. I have asked her for permission to post her answer (whatever it may be) here. Since they are 6 hours ahead of us, I suspect I will get an answer early Monday.

Just as a point of information, I CAN purchase refills from China that SAY "Cross" on them. They are about six cents each--should I buy them and advertise them as "Cross" refills? If I do, I am very likely violating Copyright law in the USA, since it is very unlikely these are really made by Cross. Part of the responsibility ExoticBlanks has is to BELIEVE, in good business sense that what we say SHOULD be true. Not all businesses take this responsibility as their obligation!

We will see what Schmidt has to say.

Add in: I found one email I got from them 9-19-16 which says they have not made a cross style for about 10 years (meaning production stopped in 2006, but there COULD still be refills that are "New"). Again, we will see what Schmidt says.
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I believe something is hincky because even Lanier pens which is pretty respected now has on their site that the name of the refilL is SCHMIDT-MINE C 600 aGerman refill. Who is or what is the Company Schmidt-Mine???

Maybe you can ask your reps ED, if they have run into a fake company using part of their name and is there any legal action being taken if there can be.

There may lie the disconnection.
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Ed is perfectly correct when he says that Schmidt do not make Cross style refills. They do not.

For an explanation of refills and what make some are better than others, have a read here.

Beaufort Ink technical info

Apart from differences in quality and materials which the link above discusses, the refills supplied with pen kits very often contain very little ink at all, being mostly hollow space and stale air.

It is possible for the unscrupulous, if buying them in sufficient quantities, to have Chinese refills branded with more or less what ever they wish - selling them however. may lead to legal issues.

Apart from the proprietary brands whose names are given to the styles themselves, ie, Cross and Parker, there are a small number of pen manufacturers who make them, but outside of that, within the artisan pen making world, there are only three main players to the best of my knowledge, who are Schmidt, Private Reserve and Beaufort Ink.
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Ed is perfectly correct when he says that Schmidt do not make Cross style refills. They do not.

For an explanation of refills and what make some are better than others, have a read here.

Beaufort Ink technical info

Apart from differences in quality and materials which the link above discusses, the refills supplied with pen kits very often contain very little ink at all, being mostly hollow space and stale air.

It is possible for the unscrupulous, if buying them in sufficient quantities, to have Chinese refills branded with more or less what ever they wish - selling them however. may lead to legal issues.

Apart from the proprietary brands whose names are given to the styles themselves, ie, Cross and Parker, there are a small number of pen manufacturers who make them, but outside of that, within the artisan pen making world, there are only three main players to the best of my knowledge, who are Schmidt, Private Reserve and Beaufort Ink.

Not sure about this

What about all the rollerball refills on the market??

Here another interesting read. Lots of names in there. So you are saying 3 companies make over 100 different styled ink refills and all the rollerballs on the market. Why do I find that hard to believe.



The Epic Refill Reference Guide: Rollerball, Gel and Ballpoints – The Well-Appointed Desk
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Ed is perfectly correct when he says that Schmidt do not make Cross style refills. They do not.

For an explanation of refills and what make some are better than others, have a read here.

Beaufort Ink technical info

Apart from differences in quality and materials which the link above discusses, the refills supplied with pen kits very often contain very little ink at all, being mostly hollow space and stale air.

It is possible for the unscrupulous, if buying them in sufficient quantities, to have Chinese refills branded with more or less what ever they wish - selling them





however. may lead to legal issues.

Apart from the proprietary brands whose names are given to the styles themselves, ie, Cross and Parker, there are a small number of pen manufacturers who make them, but outside of that, within the artisan pen making world, there are only three main players to the best of my knowledge, who are Schmidt, Private Reserve and Beaufort Ink.

Not sure about this

What about all the rollerball refills on the market??

Here another interesting read. Lots of names in there. So you are saying 3 companies make over 100 different styled ink refills and all the rollerballs on the market. Why do I find that hard to believe.



The Epic Refill Reference Guide: Rollerball, Gel and Ballpoints The Well-Appointed Desk
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Within my last link there is also this nugget. Do not just limit yourself to vendors here. Many options out there.

http://www.refillfinder.com/collecti...lpoint-refills
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