Buying retail from Dayacom

[edstreet]

Not sure what I am missing Dayacom's retail price for Emperor Pen kits only slightly less than what suppliers here in North America charge? Yes, you can save a few dollars if buy 10 or 30 Emperor Pen kits. Cannot get away from that MOQ sold in sets of 30 bushings or tubes! Is it worth the added shipping expense, insurance and import fees?

I am a dummy and have not figured out shipping, insurance, and customs or import fees. I have computed what 10 and 30 order plus accessories would cost me and not sure would want to make a couple dozen kit investment!

DAYACOM INDUSTRIAL CO., LTD

Guess I would want to know if anyone has asked Dayacom about minimum order to get whole sale pricing per kit? That information might be helpful making group buys if can mix and match pen kits to get a deeper discount. Talking about an order where buying both high end and every day pen kits in one order!

Better yet why not contact North American vendors here about piggy backing on their next order to Dayacom? Correct me if I am wrong but think that has been done on group buys before! Yes, those vendors need to make little something for their trouble, but that is okay too!

Some times all about thinking smarter than harder to accomplish our goals!

Your logic is very much sound, reasonable and good. There are vast minefields of politics and bad history on this topic that is filled with misery which I think for the most part has been ignored. I will attempt to cover some things but I will leave out several details that I am unable to comment on, I will focus on paragraph by paragraph instead.

1) The retail pricing they list is taken from retail shops to be competitive. The advantage of going direct is numerous and the market they are wanting to collect is those who will buy in number for things like shows, their own product line and not have to deal with other vendors.

2) shipping, insurance, and customs or import fees is in and of itself super easy. Shipping companies hires a fleet (yes I said FLEET) of specialist who do nothing but import/export all day long. they are fully aware of aspects of treaties, regulations and customs and this is their job. They work out the issues and collect what they need from the end user, you. This includes any fee's from duty, storage and what not.

When it comes to insurance if there is any thing that is of any monetary value then you will need it insured. If it is lost, stolen, damaged, etc during shipping then that loss is your loss, insure it and be done with it. No drama, just file a claim and reorder, done deal. This is the same as ordering anything from any US based company. The loss is the end users to bear in one form or another if any package is lost/stolen/damaged/etc.

However, all politics aside there is this option in the future it seems.

Aloha Guys,

I've just returned from Taipei, Taiwan and had several meetings with Dayacom. We are working on a deal to bring in 30 or more pen kit styles into the US market and I thought I'd do a poll here on Penturners.org to see what kits would be the most popular. This will allow people to purchase kits without dealing with foreign customs fees or large shipping costs. I'll keep an inventory here in the USA.

Please list them down on this thread and I will start to put the order together based on the responses here.

Here's their website for reference.

DAYACOM INDUSTRIAL CO., LTD


Thanks
Aaron Lau

3) Minimum order to get whole sale pricing per kit, that would be listed in the main site.

4) Why not contact North American vendors here about piggy backing on their next order to Dayacom. This has been done and this is one of the reasons we have a new vendor on the scene which sells Dayacom products, because vendors turned down their offer. There are many behind the scenes cloaked to the public who does buy directly from Dayacom, in wholesale pricing brackets that wish to remain phantoms, again most all of these come back in some form or another to politics.


One thing you might want to be caught up on is this. It shows some of the bad blood that has been spilt in the war over the years.

Dayacom was actually one of the original designers of pen kits. Then the other companies took their designs and had them made more cheaply in China. This is how PSI and Berea got started. I discussed things with the owner for many hours and he is so frustrated that he couldn't contain his emotions over this.

 

[Quality Pen]

Very interesting.

Thanks for the multiple viewpoints!

 

[Monty]

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When it comes to insurance if there is any thing that is of any monetary value then you will need it insured. If it is lost, stolen, damaged, etc during shipping then that loss is your loss, insure it and be done with it. No drama, just file a claim and reorder, done deal. This is the same as ordering anything from any US based company. The loss is the end users to bear in one form or another if any package is lost/stolen/damaged/etc...

Ed, I'm not saying you are wrong, in fact, I tend to agree with you, but this is contrary to the general consensus in this thread I posted earlier.

 

[edstreet]

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When it comes to insurance if there is any thing that is of any monetary value then you will need it insured. If it is lost, stolen, damaged, etc during shipping then that loss is your loss, insure it and be done with it. No drama, just file a claim and reorder, done deal. This is the same as ordering anything from any US based company. The loss is the end users to bear in one form or another if any package is lost/stolen/damaged/etc...

Ed, I'm not saying you are wrong, in fact, I tend to agree with you, but this is contrary to the general consensus in this thread I posted earlier.

I am assuming you are referencing this in terms of a 'group buy' and not going stag?

 

[Monty]

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When it comes to insurance if there is any thing that is of any monetary value then you will need it insured. If it is lost, stolen, damaged, etc during shipping then that loss is your loss, insure it and be done with it. No drama, just file a claim and reorder, done deal. This is the same as ordering anything from any US based company. The loss is the end users to bear in one form or another if any package is lost/stolen/damaged/etc...

Ed, I'm not saying you are wrong, in fact, I tend to agree with you, but this is contrary to the general consensus in this thread I posted earlier.

I am assuming you are referencing this in terms of a 'group buy' and not going stag?

I don't think it matters if it's a GB or stag.

 

[edstreet]

If it's stag then it's up to that one person to decide to use insurance or not. I think that most people would be mature enough to think that when spending $2,000 or so they would want to have replacement insurance.

As for GB's (group buys) that would be a whole new ball game. From what I could read in that link (the thread became highly polluted very fast) most seemed to like some type of insurance. With this option for this group of people it's a non-issue as they are covered.

For those who does not want it then likely don't really care about those things, or has never seen things like lost/stolen/damaged shipments. In which case to them it's a non-issue. The only problem comes to be with a GB not taking insurance and members who want it. There in lies your real issue.

 

[makaiolani]

Hi Guys,

This thread was brought to my attention by Ed and some other people. I've been working with Dayacom to bring more kits to the USA. We are still in negotiations and I am hoping we can work something out.

Dealing with Dayacom as a retailer whether or not they are as individuals or group buys definitely has it's pros and cons.

There is definitely a savings to buying directly from Dayacom, however how much of a savings is negligible after shipping costs and potential customs fees. It may be feasible for most people if you purchased the kits directly from a US based retailer for several reasons. One, you don't have to purchase a MOQ which results in less carrying costs. Two, shipments from US retailers are usually tracked via USPS. Three, most retailers are accessible via phone.

I know many people have done group buys before simply because not every retailer has the kits that they want in stock. I've been working on a way where the larger majority of people that do group buys can order simply through me. Therefore piggy backing on my shipments as well as me taking care of the customs fees. Insurance will not be a problem because each person will be responsible for their own shipping cost from my address. If someone does not want insurance then they don't have to purchase it.

I will contact Dayacom to get a MOQ for the kits desired. We will then ship out each order to each person on the list. If you are interested in group buys then simply contact me and we can go from there.

 

[Wildman]

Edstreet, think Dayacom has only one web site, and only prices listed there are retail. Suspect that retail list for small vendors, individuals, or group buys. If you have a link with wholesale prices please post it.

Question should be can small vendors, individuals, or group buys get better prices if they exceed MOQ listed on that retail price list? Have seen many group buys conducted here over the years as far as I know other than hard work involved all have been successful! If vendors are bowing out because refuse to carry certain pen kits or not ready to place an order totally understand! With so many pen turning clubs today might be lot easier to organize a group buy than here!

I don't have any problems with SS initial question only wish he stated exact amount of pens he wants to buy verus several dozen Emperor Pen Kits. Most vendors will gladly give you a quantity discount if they have the item(s) in stock. Have not met one vendor that would not give me the straight scoop if clear on what I want and how much willing to pay!

Unlike you do not think there are any secrets or behind the scenes drama. Companies like Dayacom & Rizheng all about bulk sales in 500 to several K unit quantities. Established vendors placed and pay several months in advance. Both Berea and PSI have to order enough kits and supplies for their resellers too!

Thank you for your post Aaron!

 

[makaiolani]

I'm considering buying several dozen emperor kits retail from Dayacom direct. Has anyone done this? Is it as straightforward as it appears? For those who have purchased direct did you have any problems? If I understand correctly; buying retail means you don't have to pay customs taxes.

If you are trying to save money by buying direct, it is possible, however if you buy with a group buy though me, it might be cheaper and safer. The reason I charge more on my retail site is because I am carrying the cost of inventory. If we do a group buy, I will not be carrying the cost therefore I will be able to pass the savings on to you guys.

 

[SS]

I'm considering buying several dozen emperor kits retail from Dayacom direct. Has anyone done this? Is it as straightforward as it appears? For those who have purchased direct did you have any problems? If I understand correctly; buying retail means you don't have to pay customs taxes.

If you are trying to save money by buying direct, it is possible, however if you buy with a group buy though me, it might be cheaper and safer. The reason I charge more on my retail site is because I am carrying the cost of inventory. If we do a group buy, I will not be carrying the cost therefore I will be able to pass the savings on to you guys.

Since you are not carrying the emperor pen I am assuming there would need to be a number of other participants in a group buy to get the wholesale price. MOQ is 300 IIRC.

 

[makaiolani]

I'm considering buying several dozen emperor kits retail from Dayacom direct. Has anyone done this? Is it as straightforward as it appears? For those who have purchased direct did you have any problems? If I understand correctly; buying retail means you don't have to pay customs taxes.

If you are trying to save money by buying direct, it is possible, however if you buy with a group buy though me, it might be cheaper and safer. The reason I charge more on my retail site is because I am carrying the cost of inventory. If we do a group buy, I will not be carrying the cost therefore I will be able to pass the savings on to you guys.

Since you are not carrying the emperor pen I am assuming there would need to be a number of other participants in a group buy to get the wholesale price. MOQ is 300 IIRC.

I can contact them and ask. My guess is I would be able to get 100 of them since I'm ordering 30k worth of stuff. This would be the benefit of piggy backing on my orders.