lwalden
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Skippy, is it still rutting season?
Berea now has computer circuit board blank kits
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babyblues
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Then there you go. Bruce didn't invent it so he has no claim to be the only seller. Thank you.
sbell111
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Did I miss something? I thought that they were going to send one to Bruce who was going to check it out and see if the quality was good.
I assume that you aren't taking the 'non-functioning' quote to mean that these blanks are not from 'real, genuine' mother and other boards. After all, if you acquire a broken motherboard and make a pen out of it wouldn't that blank be both from a 'non-functioning' circuit board and from a 'real, genuine' motherboard?
jasonbowman
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For anyone who cares and for the record: Dennis W. Ewing, Sr. it the letter opener's creator (and he did not share the process out of health and safety concerns)
http://onewoodturn.com/page/vwyx/Neat_Stuff.html
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#94342 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 7:37 pm
Subject: Circuit Board Pen brucee119
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I can't take credit for the idea. A wile back I saw a picture of a
letter opener. That gave me the inspiration it took weeks of trial and
failures. But I got it working it is very difficult. But it was worth
it. This is a wall street II click. The only kit I had at the time. I
think a sierra vista would be better.
Comments, criticism, opinions, suggestions all welcome.
Thanks
Bruce
http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/bruce119/?
action=view¤t=PCpen.jpg
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#94343 From: Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 7:51 pm
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Bruce
Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the circuits?
Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com
Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
I can't take credit for the idea. A wile back I saw a picture of a
letter opener. That gave me the inspiration it took weeks of trial and
failures. But I got it working it is very difficult. But it was worth
it. This is a wall street II click. The only kit I had at the time. I
think a sierra vista would be better.
Comments, criticism, opinions, suggestions all welcome.
Thanks
Bruce
http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/bruce119/?
action=view¤t=PCpen.jpg
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#94344 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 8:33 pm
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It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a real circuit
board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
polished simple as that LOL.
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
circuits?
>
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
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#94345 From: Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 8:39 pm
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Bruce
Where do you get the resin, to do smething like this?
Thanks
Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com
Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a real circuit
board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
polished simple as that LOL.
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
circuits?
>
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#94346 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen brucee119
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That's the easy part I just used casting polyester resin from
Micheles. There are lots of casting techniques in the files. Just
like casting a snake skin in theory.
Good luck
Bruce
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Where do you get the resin, to do smething like this?
>
> Thanks
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
>
> Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
> It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a
real circuit
> board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
> polished simple as that LOL.
>
> --- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
> circuits?
> >
> > Randy
> > http://nokeswoodworks.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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#94348 From: "granny444555666" <wakerider7000@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 11:55 am
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You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same effect.
From www.pennstateind.com They basically allow you to decorate a
pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Where do you get the resin, to do smething like this?
>
> Thanks
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
>
> Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
> It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a
real circuit
> board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
> polished simple as that LOL.
>
> --- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
> circuits?
> >
> > Randy
> > http://nokeswoodworks.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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#94361 From: "Tony Smith" <ajsmith@...>
Date: Mon May 12, 2008 6:46 am
Subject: RE: Re: Circuit Board Pen dropcat2001
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> It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a
> real circuit board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube
> cast in PR turned and polished simple as that LOL.
That's rather cool, I know a few people who'd like one of those.
How'd you sand it down? PCB's don't like to be sand or cut much, they're
pretty tough (well, FR4 is). I know you can get flexible circuit board, but
that stuff's expensive.
I know the obvoius answer is "I rubbed it with sandpaper a lot" or "I
dropped a belt sander on it", but it would be nice if the answer wasn't so
obvious.
Good job keeping the SMDs on there too. Shame there were no LEDs. (For the
'eh, what?' - SMD (surface mount device) are the little components still
soldered on, tiny little buggers, and LEDs are lights, available in those
sizes).
Tony
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#94430 From: "pault587" <pault587@...>
Date: Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 am
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen pault587
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Check out this post also
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/penturners/message/93356
I have a done a couple. The first time I used an oscillating belt
sander. I did not like that very much.
The next time I used a random orbital that was better for me. You have
to get them very thin or they crack. Also after you thin them out do
NOT try heat, the ones I used cracked.
These are a lot of work require patience and please wear appropriate
safety gear.
Good Luck
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#94448 From: "pault587" <pault587@...>
Date: Fri May 16, 2008 9:46 am
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This is better
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#94349 From: "John Stevens" <joyful-noise@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen girapen
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----- Original Message -----
From: granny444555666<mailto:wakerider7000@...>
To: penturners@yahoogroups.com<mailto
enturners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: [penturners] Re: Circuit Board Pen
You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same effect.
From www.pennstateind.com<http://www.pennstateind.com/> They basically
allow you to decorate a
pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#94350 From: Richard Kleinhenz <rlkl@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 2:15 pm
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PSI sells a casting kit that includes resin, catalyst and all the other little
stuff down to plastic cups for mixing and wooden stirrers.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/pkcastkit.html They do NOT sell a
circuitboard thinning kit ;-)
On 5/11/2008 at 10:10 AM John Stevens wrote:
>Where is it?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: granny444555666<mailto:wakerider7000@...>
>
> You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same effect.
> From www.pennstateind.com<http://www.pennstateind.com/> They
>basically allow you to decorate a
> pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
--
Regards,
Rich
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#94352 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 7:57 pm
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Thanks Rich
I don't think your gonna buy a kit for a circuit board. It is quite a
process. Not all that easy that is the only one I am working on some
more and still tweeking the process. Maybe when I get it down I mite
revel some tips & tricks. But that will be later on.
Thanks
Bruce from Florida
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Richard Kleinhenz <rlkl@...> wrote:
>
> PSI sells a casting kit that includes resin, catalyst and all the
other little stuff down to plastic cups for mixing and wooden
stirrers. http://www.pennstateind.com/store/pkcastkit.html They do
NOT sell a circuitboard thinning kit ;-)
>
> On 5/11/2008 at 10:10 AM John Stevens wrote:
>
> >Where is it?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: granny444555666<mailto:wakerider7000@...>
> >
> > You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same
effect.
> > From www.pennstateind.com<http://www.pennstateind.com/> They
> >basically allow you to decorate a
> > pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Rich
> ========================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> penturners moderator
> Keep the group tidy! Delete excess text when quoting!
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
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#94354 From: "Dennis Ewing, Sr" <dennis@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 9:15 pm
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AS the originator of the idea, I hope that any who attempt this use a
good respirator. There are several components in a PC board that can be
very bad for your health. I have refrained from writing up my process
until I could be sure of all safety concerns. Remember, many of the
boards contain lead and other metals that are not good for your lungs
and other parts of the body. I take several safety precautions when
making my circuit pens. I hope others do the same. A dust collector is
NOT enough when doing a project like this. Not wanting to discourage
you, just want you to be safe.
Dennis W. Ewing Sr
http://www.onewoodturn.com
Bruce Egolf wrote:
> Thanks Rich
>
> I don't think your gonna buy a kit for a circuit board. It is quite a
> process. Not all that easy that is the only one I am working on some
> more and still tweeking the process. Maybe when I get it down I mite
> revel some tips & tricks. But that will be later on.
>
> Thanks
> Bruce from Florida
>
>
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#94356 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 9:43 pm
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Dennis I am glad you check in. I wanted to give credit to whom I got
the idea. It was a letter opener I saw on I assume your site. But it
was a wile ago I did book mark it at the time but since the computer
crashed and I lost everything. And had no idea where or who was the
original owner. I hope you don't mind me posting photos of the pen.
But as you know it is no easy task making these. And yes any one
trying needs to be aware of health issues and take precautions. When
we venture into more different and abstract materials we need to be
careful.
Thanks
Bruce from Florida
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Ewing, Sr" <dennis@...>
wrote:
>
> AS the originator of the idea, I hope that any who attempt this use
a
> good respirator. There are several components in a PC board that
can be
> very bad for your health. I have refrained from writing up my
process
> until I could be sure of all safety concerns. Remember, many of the
> boards contain lead and other metals that are not good for your
lungs
> and other parts of the body. I take several safety precautions when
> making my circuit pens. I hope others do the same. A dust collector
is
> NOT enough when doing a project like this. Not wanting to
discourage
> you, just want you to be safe.
>
> Dennis W. Ewing Sr
> http://www.onewoodturn.com
>
>
>
> Bruce Egolf wrote:
> > Thanks Rich
> >
> > I don't think your gonna buy a kit for a circuit board. It is
quite a
> > process. Not all that easy that is the only one I am working on
some
> > more and still tweeking the process. Maybe when I get it down I
mite
> > revel some tips & tricks. But that will be later on.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bruce from Florida
> >
> >
>
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#94357 From: "Dennis Ewing, Sr" <dennis@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen saprinter
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No problem. I'd just hate for someone to get lead poisoning from
something I came up with., Not to mention many of the boards are
fiberglass and inhaling that could be very bad. A real replaceable
canister respirator is mandatory to try this.
Dennis W. Ewing Sr
http://www.onewoodturn.com
Bruce Egolf wrote:
> Dennis I am glad you check in. I wanted to give credit to whom I got
> the idea. It was a letter opener I saw on I assume your site. But it
> was a wile ago I did book mark it at the time but since the computer
> crashed and I lost everything. And had no idea where or who was the
> original owner. I hope you don't mind me posting photos of the pen.
> But as you know it is no easy task making these. And yes any one
> trying needs to be aware of health issues and take precautions. When
> we venture into more different and abstract materials we need to be
> careful.
>
> Thanks
> Bruce from Florida
>
http://onewoodturn.com/page/vwyx/Neat_Stuff.html
From the yahoo penturner's group:
#94342 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 7:37 pm
Subject: Circuit Board Pen brucee119
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I can't take credit for the idea. A wile back I saw a picture of a
letter opener. That gave me the inspiration it took weeks of trial and
failures. But I got it working it is very difficult. But it was worth
it. This is a wall street II click. The only kit I had at the time. I
think a sierra vista would be better.
Comments, criticism, opinions, suggestions all welcome.
Thanks
Bruce
http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/bruce119/?
action=view¤t=PCpen.jpg
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#94343 From: Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen rwnokes
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Bruce
Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the circuits?
Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com
Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
I can't take credit for the idea. A wile back I saw a picture of a
letter opener. That gave me the inspiration it took weeks of trial and
failures. But I got it working it is very difficult. But it was worth
it. This is a wall street II click. The only kit I had at the time. I
think a sierra vista would be better.
Comments, criticism, opinions, suggestions all welcome.
Thanks
Bruce
http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/bruce119/?
action=view¤t=PCpen.jpg
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#94344 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen brucee119
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It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a real circuit
board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
polished simple as that LOL.
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
circuits?
>
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
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#94345 From: Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen rwnokes
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Bruce
Where do you get the resin, to do smething like this?
Thanks
Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com
Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a real circuit
board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
polished simple as that LOL.
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
circuits?
>
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#94346 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sat May 10, 2008 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen brucee119
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That's the easy part I just used casting polyester resin from
Micheles. There are lots of casting techniques in the files. Just
like casting a snake skin in theory.
Good luck
Bruce
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Where do you get the resin, to do smething like this?
>
> Thanks
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
>
> Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
> It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a
real circuit
> board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
> polished simple as that LOL.
>
> --- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
> circuits?
> >
> > Randy
> > http://nokeswoodworks.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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#94348 From: "granny444555666" <wakerider7000@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 11:55 am
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen granny444555666
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You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same effect.
From www.pennstateind.com They basically allow you to decorate a
pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> Where do you get the resin, to do smething like this?
>
> Thanks
> Randy
> http://nokeswoodworks.com
>
>
> Bruce Egolf <brucee119@...> wrote:
> It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a
real circuit
> board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube cast in PR turned and
> polished simple as that LOL.
>
> --- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Randy Nokes <rwnokes@> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > Cool pen.. Is that cover in resin or do you actaully touch the
> circuits?
> >
> > Randy
> > http://nokeswoodworks.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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#94361 From: "Tony Smith" <ajsmith@...>
Date: Mon May 12, 2008 6:46 am
Subject: RE: Re: Circuit Board Pen dropcat2001
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> It is cast in resin. Basically like a snake skin. It is a
> real circuit board sanded paper thin wrap around the tube
> cast in PR turned and polished simple as that LOL.
That's rather cool, I know a few people who'd like one of those.
How'd you sand it down? PCB's don't like to be sand or cut much, they're
pretty tough (well, FR4 is). I know you can get flexible circuit board, but
that stuff's expensive.
I know the obvoius answer is "I rubbed it with sandpaper a lot" or "I
dropped a belt sander on it", but it would be nice if the answer wasn't so
obvious.
Good job keeping the SMDs on there too. Shame there were no LEDs. (For the
'eh, what?' - SMD (surface mount device) are the little components still
soldered on, tiny little buggers, and LEDs are lights, available in those
sizes).
Tony
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#94430 From: "pault587" <pault587@...>
Date: Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 am
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen pault587
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Check out this post also
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/penturners/message/93356
I have a done a couple. The first time I used an oscillating belt
sander. I did not like that very much.
The next time I used a random orbital that was better for me. You have
to get them very thin or they crack. Also after you thin them out do
NOT try heat, the ones I used cracked.
These are a lot of work require patience and please wear appropriate
safety gear.
Good Luck
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#94448 From: "pault587" <pault587@...>
Date: Fri May 16, 2008 9:46 am
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen pault587
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#94349 From: "John Stevens" <joyful-noise@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen girapen
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Where is it?
----- Original Message -----
From: granny444555666<mailto:wakerider7000@...>
To: penturners@yahoogroups.com<mailto
enturners@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: [penturners] Re: Circuit Board Pen
You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same effect.
From www.pennstateind.com<http://www.pennstateind.com/> They basically
allow you to decorate a
pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#94350 From: Richard Kleinhenz <rlkl@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen rkleinhenz
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PSI sells a casting kit that includes resin, catalyst and all the other little
stuff down to plastic cups for mixing and wooden stirrers.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/pkcastkit.html They do NOT sell a
circuitboard thinning kit ;-)
On 5/11/2008 at 10:10 AM John Stevens wrote:
>Where is it?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: granny444555666<mailto:wakerider7000@...>
>
> You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same effect.
> From www.pennstateind.com<http://www.pennstateind.com/> They
>basically allow you to decorate a
> pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
--
Regards,
Rich
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#94352 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: Circuit Board Pen brucee119
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Thanks Rich
I don't think your gonna buy a kit for a circuit board. It is quite a
process. Not all that easy that is the only one I am working on some
more and still tweeking the process. Maybe when I get it down I mite
revel some tips & tricks. But that will be later on.
Thanks
Bruce from Florida
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, Richard Kleinhenz <rlkl@...> wrote:
>
> PSI sells a casting kit that includes resin, catalyst and all the
other little stuff down to plastic cups for mixing and wooden
stirrers. http://www.pennstateind.com/store/pkcastkit.html They do
NOT sell a circuitboard thinning kit ;-)
>
> On 5/11/2008 at 10:10 AM John Stevens wrote:
>
> >Where is it?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: granny444555666<mailto:wakerider7000@...>
> >
> > You can also buy a kit that, i would assume, give you the same
effect.
> > From www.pennstateind.com<http://www.pennstateind.com/> They
> >basically allow you to decorate a
> > pen tube which ever way you please and then cote it in resin.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Rich
> ========================================
> Richard Kleinhenz
> penturners moderator
> Keep the group tidy! Delete excess text when quoting!
> http://beautifulhandmadepens.com
> ========================================
>
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#94354 From: "Dennis Ewing, Sr" <dennis@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen saprinter
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AS the originator of the idea, I hope that any who attempt this use a
good respirator. There are several components in a PC board that can be
very bad for your health. I have refrained from writing up my process
until I could be sure of all safety concerns. Remember, many of the
boards contain lead and other metals that are not good for your lungs
and other parts of the body. I take several safety precautions when
making my circuit pens. I hope others do the same. A dust collector is
NOT enough when doing a project like this. Not wanting to discourage
you, just want you to be safe.
Dennis W. Ewing Sr
http://www.onewoodturn.com
Bruce Egolf wrote:
> Thanks Rich
>
> I don't think your gonna buy a kit for a circuit board. It is quite a
> process. Not all that easy that is the only one I am working on some
> more and still tweeking the process. Maybe when I get it down I mite
> revel some tips & tricks. But that will be later on.
>
> Thanks
> Bruce from Florida
>
>
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#94356 From: "Bruce Egolf" <brucee119@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 9:43 pm
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Dennis I am glad you check in. I wanted to give credit to whom I got
the idea. It was a letter opener I saw on I assume your site. But it
was a wile ago I did book mark it at the time but since the computer
crashed and I lost everything. And had no idea where or who was the
original owner. I hope you don't mind me posting photos of the pen.
But as you know it is no easy task making these. And yes any one
trying needs to be aware of health issues and take precautions. When
we venture into more different and abstract materials we need to be
careful.
Thanks
Bruce from Florida
--- In penturners@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Ewing, Sr" <dennis@...>
wrote:
>
> AS the originator of the idea, I hope that any who attempt this use
a
> good respirator. There are several components in a PC board that
can be
> very bad for your health. I have refrained from writing up my
process
> until I could be sure of all safety concerns. Remember, many of the
> boards contain lead and other metals that are not good for your
lungs
> and other parts of the body. I take several safety precautions when
> making my circuit pens. I hope others do the same. A dust collector
is
> NOT enough when doing a project like this. Not wanting to
discourage
> you, just want you to be safe.
>
> Dennis W. Ewing Sr
> http://www.onewoodturn.com
>
>
>
> Bruce Egolf wrote:
> > Thanks Rich
> >
> > I don't think your gonna buy a kit for a circuit board. It is
quite a
> > process. Not all that easy that is the only one I am working on
some
> > more and still tweeking the process. Maybe when I get it down I
mite
> > revel some tips & tricks. But that will be later on.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bruce from Florida
> >
> >
>
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#94357 From: "Dennis Ewing, Sr" <dennis@...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2008 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Circuit Board Pen saprinter
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No problem. I'd just hate for someone to get lead poisoning from
something I came up with., Not to mention many of the boards are
fiberglass and inhaling that could be very bad. A real replaceable
canister respirator is mandatory to try this.
Dennis W. Ewing Sr
http://www.onewoodturn.com
Bruce Egolf wrote:
> Dennis I am glad you check in. I wanted to give credit to whom I got
> the idea. It was a letter opener I saw on I assume your site. But it
> was a wile ago I did book mark it at the time but since the computer
> crashed and I lost everything. And had no idea where or who was the
> original owner. I hope you don't mind me posting photos of the pen.
> But as you know it is no easy task making these. And yes any one
> trying needs to be aware of health issues and take precautions. When
> we venture into more different and abstract materials we need to be
> careful.
>
> Thanks
> Bruce from Florida
>
Russianwolf
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http://onewoodturn.com/page/wdoz/New_Pens.html
He's even taken it into the Fountain Pens.
And leave my Tigers out of it.
He's even taken it into the Fountain Pens.
And leave my Tigers out of it.
pipeyeti
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guess that settles any questions
bruce119
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As far as I know I was the first and only (till now) to offer "blanks" (not just make and sell the pen) to any other pen makers.
Boy that post by jasonbowman brings back some memories. There's been a lot of water over the bridge since then.
Bruce
GouletPens
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VOLCANO!!
Alright, I decided I'm going to come up with a phrase that I can type whenever this type of post is starting to develop. It seems like the "he had the idea first" threads seem to always start fireworks in everyones' pants, so I'm going to start a new trend!! Whenever you see a thread like this that looks like a volcano about to erupt, the first person to type "VOLCANO" will get credit for warning everyone to take cover!! I'll be the first. THIS THREAD IS A VOLCANO!!!!
Alright, I decided I'm going to come up with a phrase that I can type whenever this type of post is starting to develop. It seems like the "he had the idea first" threads seem to always start fireworks in everyones' pants, so I'm going to start a new trend!! Whenever you see a thread like this that looks like a volcano about to erupt, the first person to type "VOLCANO" will get credit for warning everyone to take cover!! I'll be the first. THIS THREAD IS A VOLCANO!!!!
Texatdurango
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The unfortunate thing after all this arguing back and forth is that those who think it's OK to profit from someone's idea by replicating an item then directly competing with the originator for sales will continue to do so with no qualms and those who think it's a sleazy practice will continue to think it's sleazy but nothing more.
A few months ago I heard some scuttle butt about establishing a code of ethics whereby members agreed to conduct their business affairs on the IAP forum in compliance with a set of standards as part of their privilege of IAP membership. I wonder if this is still being kicked around.
A few months ago I heard some scuttle butt about establishing a code of ethics whereby members agreed to conduct their business affairs on the IAP forum in compliance with a set of standards as part of their privilege of IAP membership. I wonder if this is still being kicked around.
Volcano
Happy campers, poop in there pampers
When the mountain, becomes a fountain
Of white hot lava, molten magna
It's in there flowin', it's in there growin'
You don't believe me, that this scenery
Could be a cold blooded killer
It's gonna blow volcano!!!!
This will be my official reply for all volcano threads....:biggrin:
(credit goes to The Presidents of The United States of America)
Happy campers, poop in there pampers
When the mountain, becomes a fountain
Of white hot lava, molten magna
It's in there flowin', it's in there growin'
You don't believe me, that this scenery
Could be a cold blooded killer
It's gonna blow volcano!!!!
This will be my official reply for all volcano threads....:biggrin:
(credit goes to The Presidents of The United States of America)
wolftat
Product Reviews Manager
Not trying to stir this fire anymore, but does Dawn actually make the cat blanks or is she a reseller of them? The reason I am asking is I had bought a large batch of them long before I ever even heard of Ed or Dawn or IAP.
Now just for fun, I received a PM asking me how I felt about ripping off the inventor of the coffee bean blanks. He happened to catch me at a real bad time and I was pretty upset that he even bothered me, but my point is .....does anyone actually know who invented the coffee bean blanks? I have a pen that was made long before the IAP was formed and it was made with coffee beans.
This is a trend that has been going on for a while and while we are almost all in support of Bruce, he seems to not want this to go the way it is going and maybe we should slow it down a bit. We are getting carried away with this again.
Now lets just get back to the looting, rampaging, and pillaging like we should be.
PR_Princess
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LOL, Neil only in my dreams am I that skilled!:tongue::biggrin: Actually I do neither. The cats are Ed4copies'. He imports those from Europe along with the pearls, alternatives and some other cool materials.
Skye's heart was in the right place, though. As I do make my own set of unique - or should I say exotic - blanks. (Dichroic glass, MOP, paua, uncommon snakes etc.) He just got the description mixed up a bit as both Ed's blanks and mine are sold off of the same site.
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jedgerton
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Folks,
I'm not sure where to stand on this issue but I can tell you this kind of business practice is legal and it happens all the time. I'm in the semiconductor industry and if anyone has heard of a company named AMD, they got their start making Intel compatible microprocessors by completing their own design that duplicated the functionality of the Intel device. How is this any different. Intel had something that was unique and in high demand. AMD used their own resources to produce a device that could duplicate Intel's funtionality. All legal and all above board.
The only way I know of to protect a new idea is to get the patent office to agree that the idea is truly new and different fundamentally for what has gone before. Its expensive to accomplish and even more expensive to defend.
I'm not making these comments to suggest I agree with Berea's practice in this case but I'm only suggesting that there is nothing unusual or out of the ordinary with respect to common business practices.
John
I'm not sure where to stand on this issue but I can tell you this kind of business practice is legal and it happens all the time. I'm in the semiconductor industry and if anyone has heard of a company named AMD, they got their start making Intel compatible microprocessors by completing their own design that duplicated the functionality of the Intel device. How is this any different. Intel had something that was unique and in high demand. AMD used their own resources to produce a device that could duplicate Intel's funtionality. All legal and all above board.
The only way I know of to protect a new idea is to get the patent office to agree that the idea is truly new and different fundamentally for what has gone before. Its expensive to accomplish and even more expensive to defend.
I'm not making these comments to suggest I agree with Berea's practice in this case but I'm only suggesting that there is nothing unusual or out of the ordinary with respect to common business practices.
John
Skye
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I don't think that's entirely correct. I think an design patent would protect her. For instance, the idea of a bottle stopper is not new. It's not really a patentable idea. The design of a bottle stopper, however, can be protected. It's the visual properties of the idea that you can apply for a design patent.
My family owns a patent illustration biz and I've done a lot of patent drawings in my day. I'm pretty sure that's the way it goes, although we're divorced from the lawyer's end, so I'm not totally down with the law.
wolftat
Product Reviews Manager
And you do make some beautiful blanks Dawn.
GouletPens
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I think most of us tend to agree on a moral or ethical level, but in terms of legal protection, its almost irrelevant since none of us here have the money to take anyone to court over these types of issues. I have a friend of mine from college who got into corporate law and its an incredibly expensive endeavor! Unless you're making MILLIONS from your designs, there's no way you could ever justify the cost of taking someone to court over it, plus those corporate cases usually go on for a year or quite often several years. You have to have several factories pumping tens of millions of these pen blanks out before you could possibly afford a corporate law suit, especially against someone like Berea.
Along the same lines, if I make a Cigar pen out of rosewood and post it here and someone likes it and makes it just like it, do I have the rights to it since I'm the first one that made it? Not unless I patent it, if I even could. Let's be real here, we all steal each others designs from SOMEWHERE a great majority of the time. We're just in a legally vulnerable industry here!!!:mad-tongue:
babyblues
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Why do we post here? Do we post here so that we can get all the credit for "our" idea or do we post here because we want to share information and hopefully raise everyone's talent level?
Nothing unethical has been done here. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bruce took the idea from someone else so it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to honestly claim to be the originator. The same could be said for Curtis and his Worthless Wood, or Eugene and his Amalgamutts or Karl and his Earth Casts. Each of them are fully within their rights to sell their product here because there's nothing wrong with taking an existing idea to the masses. Many of us don't have the means to make them ourselves. They do have the means and are willing to put the work into it. I think that's great. They all have names that are unique to their product, but they would be the first to tell you that they got the idea from someone else. The concept of casting resin and wood together did not originate with any of them. It's the same with the coffee bean blanks, it's the same with the puzzle kits and it's the same with Bruce and his circuit board blanks. No one is stealing money from anyone else's pocket here. If Bruce's product is superior in quality than it will speak for itself. And it is yet to be determined if Bruce's business here will even suffer as a result of Berea's product. If he's got all the orders he can handle, than I seriously doubt he has anything to worry about. Porsche doesn't worry about competition from Toyota Corollas or Ford Escorts.
Speaking of cars, Henry Ford took an existing idea...the car...and mass produced it so that every family would have the chance to own one. Aren't you kind of glad he did? According to some of you, he was stealing that idea and what he did was unethical. I don't think so. If you have a problem with mass produced, than I fully expect that you should make your own car and your own gas.
In fact, if some of you make good on your promise to boycott Berea, than you're going to have to boycott Arizona Silhouette too because Bill is a Berea reller. You're willing to punish Bill for this?! You're the ones taking business away from him, not Berea.
As I remember, Bruce also sold a batch of snakeskin blanks a while back. I purchased some from him. Apparently he ripped off Don Ward because Don posted a snakeskin tutorial here before anyone else did. But then again, Don got the idea from Jay Pickens, so I guess Don is ripping off Jay.
Berea also sells bullet pen kits and it's been said that they're doing something wrong there too. Well, if you read Don's bullet pen tutorial, he says that he saw a pen made from pistol brass, so he didn't come up with the idea either. He also says that Bill Baumbeck had a bullet pen given to him by Dick Sing. Don's tutorial is what he learned from Jay Pickens. So, apparently everyone is getting ripped off here.
It's arrogant and, sorry to say, ignorant to assume that the first person we saw post it here on IAP has exclusive rights to the idea. And it's ludicrous to propose that the person who first started selling it has exclusive rights to sell it, regardless of where they got the idea.
Nothing unethical has been done here. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bruce took the idea from someone else so it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to honestly claim to be the originator. The same could be said for Curtis and his Worthless Wood, or Eugene and his Amalgamutts or Karl and his Earth Casts. Each of them are fully within their rights to sell their product here because there's nothing wrong with taking an existing idea to the masses. Many of us don't have the means to make them ourselves. They do have the means and are willing to put the work into it. I think that's great. They all have names that are unique to their product, but they would be the first to tell you that they got the idea from someone else. The concept of casting resin and wood together did not originate with any of them. It's the same with the coffee bean blanks, it's the same with the puzzle kits and it's the same with Bruce and his circuit board blanks. No one is stealing money from anyone else's pocket here. If Bruce's product is superior in quality than it will speak for itself. And it is yet to be determined if Bruce's business here will even suffer as a result of Berea's product. If he's got all the orders he can handle, than I seriously doubt he has anything to worry about. Porsche doesn't worry about competition from Toyota Corollas or Ford Escorts.
Speaking of cars, Henry Ford took an existing idea...the car...and mass produced it so that every family would have the chance to own one. Aren't you kind of glad he did? According to some of you, he was stealing that idea and what he did was unethical. I don't think so. If you have a problem with mass produced, than I fully expect that you should make your own car and your own gas.
In fact, if some of you make good on your promise to boycott Berea, than you're going to have to boycott Arizona Silhouette too because Bill is a Berea reller. You're willing to punish Bill for this?! You're the ones taking business away from him, not Berea.
As I remember, Bruce also sold a batch of snakeskin blanks a while back. I purchased some from him. Apparently he ripped off Don Ward because Don posted a snakeskin tutorial here before anyone else did. But then again, Don got the idea from Jay Pickens, so I guess Don is ripping off Jay.
Berea also sells bullet pen kits and it's been said that they're doing something wrong there too. Well, if you read Don's bullet pen tutorial, he says that he saw a pen made from pistol brass, so he didn't come up with the idea either. He also says that Bill Baumbeck had a bullet pen given to him by Dick Sing. Don's tutorial is what he learned from Jay Pickens. So, apparently everyone is getting ripped off here.
It's arrogant and, sorry to say, ignorant to assume that the first person we saw post it here on IAP has exclusive rights to the idea. And it's ludicrous to propose that the person who first started selling it has exclusive rights to sell it, regardless of where they got the idea.
MU4EVER
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Pcb blanks
Hi guys,
I visited Bruce119 whilst I was in Florida on vacation from the UK and purchased some of his PCB blanks, although I haven't had a chance to turn them yet I agree wth SKYE as they are top dollar and would rather support the clever people we have amongst ourselves,
I have sold 4 already, before they have been turned.
Bruce 119 is a very talented genuine guy
Hi guys,
I visited Bruce119 whilst I was in Florida on vacation from the UK and purchased some of his PCB blanks, although I haven't had a chance to turn them yet I agree wth SKYE as they are top dollar and would rather support the clever people we have amongst ourselves,
I have sold 4 already, before they have been turned.
Bruce 119 is a very talented genuine guy
GouletPens
Member
For that matter, it's the very pen kits that we almost all use that are mass produced by Berea for our use. I'm darned glad Berea is in business and I hope they are for a long time so I can continue to use their kits!!!!
cozee
Member
Funny thing, ya'll turn and sell pens right? How do ya think the first person to do this feels now?? And I am willing to bet ya use a brand of lathe other than the first one produced. And tools made by a mfg. other than the first one to do so. And even the computer your using to post with. And the list goes on. Let he who isn't a hypocrite throw the first pen!!!
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tbroye
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Cozee:
Duck here comes the first pen. Just kidding. I have 2 blanks coming from Bruce119 and 2 Vista kits coming from Bill at AS. He ships faster than Brea. While I don't think Brea should have done that and who's to say it was their idea to copy the PCB blanks. How many of us wanted to learn and copy what Eagle did. I think with the Global Economy it is very easy to steal some ones idea and produce it as you own. Look at all the counterfit T-Shirts, DVDs and all the other stuff that is copied and sold. I will leave my pulpit now and go watch the KINGS loose again and probably be out in the shop by half time.
Duck here comes the first pen. Just kidding. I have 2 blanks coming from Bruce119 and 2 Vista kits coming from Bill at AS. He ships faster than Brea. While I don't think Brea should have done that and who's to say it was their idea to copy the PCB blanks. How many of us wanted to learn and copy what Eagle did. I think with the Global Economy it is very easy to steal some ones idea and produce it as you own. Look at all the counterfit T-Shirts, DVDs and all the other stuff that is copied and sold. I will leave my pulpit now and go watch the KINGS loose again and probably be out in the shop by half time.
nava1uni
Member
Now that I have taken the time to read every post I have something to say. I myself am finding the explosiveness of the posts like this to be counterproductive. People rise to the surface like the fat in cream. People jumping up and crying evil, unethical, saying angry volatile things and making statements that inflame and cause discord.
In any arena where people create, share their images and ideas there are bound to be people who will duplicate. This is part of the reason that sites like IAP exist. When I make a pen, even if it is of the same wood and kit, it is not the same pen. If I cast a blank, like money for example, am I stealing from someone who also makes and sells the blanks? I think that I am trying something new, hopefully creating something different, even though similar to something that already exists. In the past few weeks I have observed this type of exchange and I find it disconcerting how easily some people become accusatory, want to boycott businesses and/or people.
I think that this type of exchange will only cause people to hesitate to post and drive the creativity away rather then attract open sharing and conversation. Maybe people should take a moment, breathe and think before they start shooting from the hip.
In any arena where people create, share their images and ideas there are bound to be people who will duplicate. This is part of the reason that sites like IAP exist. When I make a pen, even if it is of the same wood and kit, it is not the same pen. If I cast a blank, like money for example, am I stealing from someone who also makes and sells the blanks? I think that I am trying something new, hopefully creating something different, even though similar to something that already exists. In the past few weeks I have observed this type of exchange and I find it disconcerting how easily some people become accusatory, want to boycott businesses and/or people.
I think that this type of exchange will only cause people to hesitate to post and drive the creativity away rather then attract open sharing and conversation. Maybe people should take a moment, breathe and think before they start shooting from the hip.
Randy_
Member
Awfully hard to understand that thinking when Bruce, himself, acknowledged that the original idea was not his!!!
Check out post # 23 in this thread that George posted.
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Rudy Vey
Member
Well said Cindy!
dalemcginnis
Local Chapter Leader
What I'm seeing in this thread is some people seem to think the big guy(Berea) is going to put the little guy (Bruce) out of business. Why? Because they can sell it cheaper? Well jeez, I guess no one here should be selling any pens. Why? Because anybody can go to Wal-Mart and buy 10 pens for a buck! Yet there seems to be a lot of people here who sell a lot of pens for a lot more than a buck.
alphageek
Former Moderator
WELL SAID! Even more clear than my analogy of gold and ti-gold earlier in the thread.
KenV
Member
I think Dennis Ewing in Texas was making the circuit board blanks before they surfaced here in IAP -- so the issue of who invented/adapted what may not be as real an issue as some would like to make of it. Dennis makes them for his own use, and has, for liability/health reasons been reluctant to share the process he uses to get the circuit boards shaped for casting.
I think my bushings for the Sierra Vista is a 70A vs the normal 20A. The 50A is listed with my favorite enabler (Bill in AZ) as being used for the ElToro and ElPresidente pens. Maybe we are getting a third sierra variation in barrel sizes -
I think my bushings for the Sierra Vista is a 70A vs the normal 20A. The 50A is listed with my favorite enabler (Bill in AZ) as being used for the ElToro and ElPresidente pens. Maybe we are getting a third sierra variation in barrel sizes -
babyblues
Member
Very good point.
Funny you should say that. I had a guy say, "Why should I buy that pen for $50 when I can go get a dozen for a dollar at Wal-Mart?" I told him that if he couldn't appreciate the difference maybe he SHOULD go buy them from Wal-Mart. :biggrin:
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Mudder
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Cindy,
Let's consider the flip side of the coin for the moment. Could it also be possible that the IAP is going to become "one stop shopping" for someone looking to make a quick buck from the idea's of another?
I'm torn on this issue, on one hand I believe that competition breeds creativity and on the other hand I would have to think twice before showing something that I've worked hard to perfect be taken by a big company for their profit.
GoodTurns
Member
I keep a box of Staples pens I got for FREE with one of their coupons under my cash register in my booth...when someone brings up the $0.25 pens, I give them one and thank them for stopping by. If they don't appreciate a real pen, let 'em move on!
M
Mudder
Guest
Reminds me of a quote that I read on another site that I frequent....
"Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story"
Skye
Member
I think you hit the nail on the head. Between the board pens and the bullet pens, I'm going to assume if something really catches on here, it won't be long till Berea or another large company starts producing them.
Some people think that's fine and everything is free game, I don't think that way.
workinforwood
Member
Problem with the circuit board pen is that there is no way to prove who the real inventor is. If you truly made the first one, documented it and patented the idea, then you'd have a case. It still might not be the easiest thing to fight in court with your documentation, but not impossible. If you really have a case, you will most likely be offered an out of court settlement and assuming they offer a reasonable amount, you'll be in pretty good shape. This pen is so labour intensive for a one man shop, that if you had a case and were offered a settlement of even just $10,000, you're sure to be smiling! None of this is the case for Bruce, unfortunately because he didn't invent it, nor did he patent it. But it is a good lesson to try and cover your loose ends should you come up with a grand idea.
and yes...I know some countries like china like to ignore patents, but even still you can fight to keep those knock-offs from being sold by legitimate American companies. That's why illegal cd's exist in a back alley, but you won't find them at Best Buy. I dont think any of us will be cruising the back alley's looking for illegal pen kits!
and yes...I know some countries like china like to ignore patents, but even still you can fight to keep those knock-offs from being sold by legitimate American companies. That's why illegal cd's exist in a back alley, but you won't find them at Best Buy. I dont think any of us will be cruising the back alley's looking for illegal pen kits!
babyblues
Member
It just seems that there is an underlying assumption of malicious intent on the part of "big companies", but I don't think that's the case.
Consider a third side of the coin, if you will. If an idea catches on and demand develops, is it fair for one person to say, "Nope, I'm the only one allowed to profit from this. The rest of you go pound sand." I would be willing to bet that there is more than enough demand to go around. Whenever someone has posted something like the cactus blanks, or resin/wood blanks, or snakeskin blanks etc...they always sell out.
I seriously doubt that anyone here has either the time or the resources to outstrip demand for some of those things. So, where's the rub? The rub, as far as I can see, is that one might feel exploited if they haven't received proper credit and/or compensation for coming up with the idea first. So, what's wrong with wanting that, you might ask. Nothing wrong, persay, it just begs the question of what you're about. The truly creative people who come up with this stuff don't spend time on websites like this squabbling over whose idea it was first, because they do what they do because they love it, not because there's profit in it.
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Mudder
Guest
I guess that on this point we'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen this same thing happen with corncob blanks, snakeskin and cartridges before this last one with the circuit board blanks. seems to be a lot more than just coincidence.
Texatdurango
Member
So, it looks like the solution if you have something very unique and marketable is to not even mention it on the forum. Instead, go on about your business, make as many unique pens as you want, sell them and no one will be the wiser for quite a while.
If you think about it, most of the people having a problem with their ideas being lifted are themselves using the forum to showcase their goods with the intent to drum up interest to make sales. When they have a good idea, fellow honest members aren't the only ones who notice!
cozee
Member
bruce119
Member
I just wanted to step in and say a few things. After reading a lot of this it seams most of the conservancy is big business using the site to take our ideas. There were a lot of good points made on booth sides.
I just want to clear a few things up about me personally. Yes this was not my original idea but I did figure out on my own how to do it and spent a lot of time coming up with a method. I do it because I enjoy it I was the first as far as I know to offer blanks for sale for other pen makers. It is a very time consuming process that uses a lot of consumable's. I make them the old fashion way. I don't have the money or the desire to mass produce I did have some ideas that would probably work and would require knowing someone in the circuit board manufacturing industry. But that would take a lot of dollars I just don't have that. I knew some one would come along that had the funding and the connections to mass produce.
I am not mad at Berea or hold hard feelings against them. I am still waiting on my kit I hope they don't hold me responsible for some of the negative things said against Berea that was not me talking.
I will call Jim at Berea tomorrow and see if my kit was sent and maybe get a few more. I will look them over and give a review.
I understand about the new ideas and others not posting in fear that they will be produced in mass. But I am fine and will continue doing what I have been doing. The most I could possibly make if all I did was about 25 blanks a week. So I will continue to make and offer them as I make them.
I have a mailing list that I send out a notice to all on it when I am going to post. I can't possibly keep up with orders.
Thanks to all who supported me.
Bruce
I just want to clear a few things up about me personally. Yes this was not my original idea but I did figure out on my own how to do it and spent a lot of time coming up with a method. I do it because I enjoy it I was the first as far as I know to offer blanks for sale for other pen makers. It is a very time consuming process that uses a lot of consumable's. I make them the old fashion way. I don't have the money or the desire to mass produce I did have some ideas that would probably work and would require knowing someone in the circuit board manufacturing industry. But that would take a lot of dollars I just don't have that. I knew some one would come along that had the funding and the connections to mass produce.
I am not mad at Berea or hold hard feelings against them. I am still waiting on my kit I hope they don't hold me responsible for some of the negative things said against Berea that was not me talking.
I will call Jim at Berea tomorrow and see if my kit was sent and maybe get a few more. I will look them over and give a review.
I understand about the new ideas and others not posting in fear that they will be produced in mass. But I am fine and will continue doing what I have been doing. The most I could possibly make if all I did was about 25 blanks a week. So I will continue to make and offer them as I make them.
I have a mailing list that I send out a notice to all on it when I am going to post. I can't possibly keep up with orders.
Thanks to all who supported me.
Bruce
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What a volcano over nothing.
Does anyone know who produced the first kit in every series? What are we doing when we have group buys? we are trying to get the cheapest product from whomever offers us the best deal. We are not doing research to find out who was the inventor of a particular kit and going to that source.
It seems to me that some members of IAP act as if this is the only penturning forum in the world and any and all innovation is going to come just from this site. Go look at the library articles and see how many different people have given their views on how to do the same thing. Does this mean we have to do something the way the first person who posted does it? No. This isn't about ethics or moral values. This is capitalisim and democracy at work. The best product at the best price wins. The buyer can purchase from whomever they wish.
Does anyone know who produced the first kit in every series? What are we doing when we have group buys? we are trying to get the cheapest product from whomever offers us the best deal. We are not doing research to find out who was the inventor of a particular kit and going to that source.
It seems to me that some members of IAP act as if this is the only penturning forum in the world and any and all innovation is going to come just from this site. Go look at the library articles and see how many different people have given their views on how to do the same thing. Does this mean we have to do something the way the first person who posted does it? No. This isn't about ethics or moral values. This is capitalisim and democracy at work. The best product at the best price wins. The buyer can purchase from whomever they wish.
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