Berea New Series Style Screw Cap...

[Richard Gibson]

Has anyone made one of these yet???

It appears the directions may be wrong. They have a method that allows you to NOT cut a tenon. It says to cut the blank to exactly 1 7/8". It then says when you glue in the tube it will extend beyond the blank. (Sounds right so far.) The problem comes that as with most pens the "short tube" is the cap which is the one with the extended tube. But the short tube is less than 1 7/8"!

If I use the "longer tube" it appears that it may be too long and the center band would not push on flush. Can anyone give me some guidance?

 

[ed4copies]

I can confirm that you are reading correctly, and you are correct that the shorter tube is 1.825, not 1.875 (1&7/8)0

A GUESS, based on the picture and measuring the clip--this should be 1 and FIVE eighths---but that is certainly NOT final.

I will take one home and try to make it--let you know tomorrow, if you don't get a better answer by then.

 

[witz1976]

The CB gets pressed onto the remaining brass that is left. It is just like the series 2000 screw caps. I would just cut a tenon....unless Ed confirms differently.

 

[PenMan1]

I'm with Dan on cutting the tenon. This is one of those cases where the cure is worse than the ailment.

 

[Richard Gibson]

The CB gets pressed onto the remaining brass that is left. It is just like the series 2000 screw caps. I would just cut a tenon.

Even if I cut a tenon, the measurements are not correct. They state to cut it 1 7/8" from the end

 

[witz1976]

Ah, I was going by the instructions which didn't state the tube lengths.

 

[Richard Gibson]

I've written customer service but don't expect to hear anything for a day or two.

 

[Lenny]

If I remember correctly (and that would be rare indeed) there may be two different centerbands and the instructions are for a one but you have to adjust for the other. I know, ... it shouldn't be that way!

 

[Lenny]

After looking it over I may have that confused with another set of components. I have always cut a tenon with that kit. It just seems easier to me. I believe I have always used the 1 7/8", and don't remember it being a problem. I DO remember having to use a file to clean up inside the centerband otherwise I have had scratching issues when posting.

 

[pfde4]

The directions state the longer tube is the clip end.

 

[ed4copies]

In the "pen parts diagram" on page 3 bottom diagram, it shows the shorter tube as the cap tube.

I still hope to get home early enough to turn one tonight--

 

[pfde4]

Sorry, Ed

My bad its been a long long week. I stand corrected.

 

[Smitty37]

could be this

Doesn't the centerband get attached to the clip end and overlap the nib end when the pen is screwed closed. In which case the amout of tube exposed would be less than the width of the band...

 

[ed4copies]

Sorry, Ed

My bad its been a long long week. I stand corrected.

I didn't mean to be contradictory----just seems we are already confused enough:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[ed4copies]

Doesn't the centerband get attached to the clip end and overlap the nib end when the pen is screwed closed. In which case the amout of tube exposed would be less than the width of the band...

You are correct, but it's hard to leave 1.875 of material on a tube that is shorter than that!!

There IS a mistake, just a question of what the answer SHOULD be.

 

[ed4copies]

Lenny, if you have done the old "2000 series", I found out the tubes are the same ID, which leads me to believe the rest is probably VERY similar. So, dig out old notes!!!

 

[ed4copies]

Sorry, Ed

My bad its been a long long week. I stand corrected.

I didn't mean to be contradictory----just seems we are already confused enough:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Perhaps NOT!! In doing some research, the instructions for the 2000 series seem nearly identical EXCEPT they show the LONG tube as the CAP!!! PERHAPS the new instructions are incorrect in the lower photo on page 3!!!

 

[Smitty37]

True

I see Ed, I think you are on to something. They lifted the instructions from a similar kit with a longer "short" tube and forgot to change the measurement. Made that mistake a time or two myself in a past life. Copied an ALMOST identical procedure and forgot something when updating to the new use.

 

[Smitty37]

Sorry, Ed

My bad its been a long long week. I stand corrected.

I didn't mean to be contradictory----just seems we are already confused enough:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Perhaps NOT!! In doing some research, the instructions for the 2000 series seem nearly identical EXCEPT they show the LONG tube as the CAP!!! PERHAPS the new instructions are incorrect in the lower photo on page 3!!!

The bigger diameter tube has to be the cap whether it is short or long. In the photo of the completed pen it looks like the shorter tube is the cap.

 

[ed4copies]

You're indispensible, Smitty!!

After making only several thousand pens, I KNEW that!!! What if they are BOTH the SAME diameter????


Sheeeeeshhhhhh!!!

 

[Smitty37]

You're indispensible, Smitty!!

After making only several thousand pens, I KNEW that!!! What if they are BOTH the SAME diameter????


Sheeeeeshhhhhh!!!

Hmmmm, you have a point there..... and they are...I assumed larger bushing larger tube, bad assumption. But, eyeballing the picture, the cap is shorter than the lower barrel. And---not one but both the illustrations showing the tubes identify the shorter tube as the cap tube so if the longer tube is the cap both illustrations must be wrong.

 

[Richard Gibson]

I put the center band pieces together and then measured from the edge up to the threads which is .1445. So that should be the distance from the end I should cut (part?) if I'm doing a tenion ( or the amount to leave sticking out if using the other method.). This is all assuming that the short tube is the cap tube.

 

[Lenny]

Lenny, if you have done the old "2000 series", I found out the tubes are the same ID, which leads me to believe the rest is probably VERY similar. So, dig out old notes!!!

Yes, any I've done where probably the old series. The instructions say 2004.
I have notes stating tubes are the same for upper and lower at 1 63/64" long. bushings .486 and .451
fwiw

 

[ed4copies]

ok, the pen is finished and yes, the short tube IS the cap.

The correct measurement should be 1.625" ( 1 and 5/8) This makes the cap look good. It also leaves a skinny 1\8" of exposed brass. Glue will be a "must". When I used CA, not surprisingly, I got it on the acrylic, but quick action made this a "non-disaster".

There are a couple other things I learned that I will incorporate in my instructions. But if you follow this dimension, you WILL complete the pen.

 

[Richard Gibson]

Ed, Thanks for the guidance. Glad I wasn't crazy when I started measuring this pen. When will you update your instructions with the "couple other things I learned " ??

 

[jppensplus]

According to my conversation with Berea today, the preferred length of the cap blank, either by initial cutting or by tenoning on the lathe, is 1 11/16". 1 5/8" might work, but be careful so the tube doesn't interfere with the threads in the center band.

 

[Richard Gibson]

Just received this from Berea yesterday:
"Richard,
You are correct that the measurement is wrong, the correct measurement
should be 1 5/8 or 1 11/16 either will work. We will correct this on the instruction sheet.
The short tube is the cap, the long tube is the body. This is correct on the instruction sheet. Thank you for pointing this out to us.

The Berea Hardwoods Co. Inc.

 

[ed4copies]

Berea's direction is correct. Like many other kits, this will require you to glue the centerband (cap threads) in place. After doing that, do NOT screw the cap on the pen and add it to your inventory. You may find, as I did, that the pen is now permanently closed (CA glue "leaked" onto the threads).

In retrospect, pretty predictable result. At the time I did it, just didn't occur to me.

Hope this saves you all from one problem!!

 

[ttpenman]

All this talk about a new pen but no pictures!! I'm not sure it really exists?? Inquiring minds want to know??

Jeff in northern Wisconsin

 

[ed4copies]

Pictures are here:

http://www.exoticblanks.com/index.p...rt&page=shop.browse&category_id=179&Itemid=60

 

[turn4fun]

Turning a new pen kit can certainly have its challenges. This thread reminded me of something I heard a long time ago and have always got a chuckle out of.. "Do you know the definition of a pioneer?.. he's the guy with the arrow in his chest." Hah! :wink:

 

[ed4copies]

Turning a new pen kit can certainly have its challenges. This thread reminded me of something I heard a long time ago and have always got a chuckle out of.. "Do you know the definition of a pioneer?.. he's the guy with the arrow in his chest." Hah! :wink:

Just think!!! In the early days of pen kits, we each did this independently. There was no place to meet and discuss and the vendors expected us to be "craftsmen" not "assemblers"---figure out the problems and SOLVE them, (Yes, some actually said that).

I can't begin to tell you how many kits and materials I wasted---tubes were not available as a separate item-early on.

It is truly a changed world---mostly for the better!!

 

[Richard Gibson]

Thank you Ed and all the others that I did not have to take that arrow in the chest :biggrin:

 

[Lenny]

Richard and Ed, Thanks for figuring this out and hopefully saving some others from confusion!

Speaking of confusion .... I thought you were refering to the series 2000 Flat top .... I've got to read more carefully. :redface:

 

[ed4copies]

Actually you read that right, Lenny.

The bushings I located (since I am out of the right ones), were from the old 2000 series and they fit the ID of this pen. So, the rest I could "fake" with my caliper.

It was fun---been a while since I did a kit without knowing where I was headed!!!

 

[ToddMR]

Berea's direction is correct. Like many other kits, this will require you to glue the centerband (cap threads) in place. After doing that, do NOT screw the cap on the pen and add it to your inventory. You may find, as I did, that the pen is now permanently closed (CA glue "leaked" onto the threads).

In retrospect, pretty predictable result. At the time I did it, just didn't occur to me.

Hope this saves you all from one problem!!

ROFLMAO!!!!! Ed that is too funny!

 

[Chasper]

After reading this entire thread I'm reminded of something I always instinstively believe is a good practice: NEVER READ INSTRUCTIONS!

That is a good looking pen BTW. I believe there is a place in the market for this pen, I'm often asked for a thinner and lighter fountain pen. The shoppers who are long time fountain pen users often expect their pens to look like these.

 

[Martino23]

So, is this a good kit?

I have made a few slimlines, and I am looking for the next level.

I also would like a rollerball pen.

Is this a good kit?

I also read somewhere to watch out for plating wearing off the threads, but I don't know which kit does that.

I would like a quality kit, not the cheapest, but not the most expensive, either.

Let me know if this would be a good "next" kit.

Not for sale, just for personal satisfaction and gifts for relatives.

Thanks!

 

[nativewooder]

I know you guys have turned about a million more pens than I have, but I don't understand why someone didn't call Berea's 800 number and discuss this with their tech dept.

 

[hilltopper46]

The tenon issue is resolved. If you look at the instructions on Berea's Web site the dimension has been revised.

As far as a kit, it's so-so (IMHO). I like the smaller diameter, the centerband is OK, but the shape of the cap finial leaves a lot to be desired.

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