They are both slim line kits. I used a dremel and belt sander to get the angle on the casings. I did the top by drilling the same size hole and the cap and deep enough to sit almost flush, then with a small cut off wheel and jewelers’ file cut the recess for the clip. I will be upgrading to a better camera soon so it will be easier to see. Since that one disappeared so quick (wife) I am going to make another in brass/cocobolo next time I am in the shop. Thanks for the input.